Electric Vehicles discussion (was NJ bans Tesla dealerships)

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  1. Mike03

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    Can you get it with flamethrowers in Johannesburg?
     
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  2. roby

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    Driver Accidentally Unlocked Someone Else's Tesla Model 3
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    1 day ago — An article details the case of a guy who unlocked a Tesla Model 3 and drove it home. The only trouble was that it wasn't his Tesla Model 3 ...
     
  3. ceezmad

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  4. roby

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    Lest one thinks I am anti progress, I'm not, but I am a strict believer of "Murphy's 1st Law"! :cautious:
     
  5. Smurfquake

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    My dad had that happen to him, something like 30 years ago. He had a van - don't remember the make, let's call it a Dodge - and he parked his van somewhere near a van from the same manufacturer. The owner of the other van used their key on my dad's van, and it worked - he could unlock it and start it, so he drove it away, and only later realized it wasn't his van, so he drove it back to find my dad looking for his van. ********ing Tesla, copying what those vanmakers were doing decades ago.
     
  6. spejic

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    It's kind of a known issue with keys. There's only so many key combinations for car keys, and you have a 1 in 50 shot (give or take depending on the manufacturer) of having the same key as another car. But I don't know how it happened with electronic locks. We should be dealing with number-of-stars-in-the-universe level numbers here. If this happened even once, I question Tesla's number generating algorithms or procedures.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    This happened to us in SE Asia.

    A friend jumped on his motorbike, and we all rode off. Then at the next place he realised it wasn't his bike. It happened quite easily as there were hundreds of bikes parked outside popular places
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    I used to burn out the ignition barrel of my Fiat due to an electrical fault i never got to the bottom of - so every so often i just brought a generic ignition. Anyone could have started that car. Indeed you could just unplug the ignition wires and hot start it :laugh:
     
  9. song219

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    Yes but the joke would be on them.
     
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  10. Yoshou

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    Well, even tho I have 3 free years of ElectrifyAmerica (2 of which are remaining), I broke down and bought a home charger. As for why, the biggest is that EA's chargers are absolute trash. On any given day, I'd say about 1/3 of the chargers in my area are out of order. Not only that, but even the ones that aren't out of order will have faults that cap their charger at 50kw (or less). The other reason is that a lot of EVs are being sold in the Seattle area and, due in part to the trash issue, but also the general lack of chargers in general, it is getting increasingly difficult to find open chargers. Because of this, it can mean waiting 30-60min before you can even get a charger.
     
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  11. QuakeAttack

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    Good for you. I don't even use a home charge. I just plug into my dryer outlet in the evening. Fortunately, my work pays for free five hours of charging per day. So, I usually just charge once a week.
     
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  12. Yoshou

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    I’ll still use the public chargers most of the time (free is free, after all), but for days where the chargers are full or out of order, it’ll be nice to have the option of just plugging in at home.
     
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  13. xtomx

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    My home charger is terrific. I have a 40amp Wall Box in my garage. Plug it in before going to bed and the car is fully charged when I get up. It is a bit slower than I expected, but it doesn't really matter.
    Costs about $6.50-7.00 for 200-275 miles.

    I don't have an Electrify America charger for 80 miles, so I don't use my free account very often (only when going to Chicago or Minneapolis or Madison or Milwaukee).

    They also just installed a new charger on campus. I plug it in when I get to work and it is mostly charged when I leave. It is half the speed of my home charger, but it is still useful. I have only seen three or four EVs on campus, so the chargers are almost always available.

    Oh, and it costs me nothing to use.
     
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  14. rslfanboy

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    I stuck a 50amp & 30amp in the garage just in case. No car as of yet.
     
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  15. ceezmad

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    Charging infrastructure may be the biggest advantage TESLA has.
     
  16. xtomx

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    For now. As of last month, they are allowing non-Teslas to use some Tesla superchargers.

    Smart business structure, since they will lose market place due to increased competition (and Tesla being a somewhat "toxic" brand), but they can make a crap ton of money on charging, with little cost to them (since, as you point out, the charging infrastructure is in place).

    I have my account, but I believe I need a second Tesla adapter (for the supercharger). Not sure if they are even on the market yet.
    I have a regular adaptor, which I have used once, at a hotel that only had a Tesla charger.
     
  17. Yoshou

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    From the reviews I’ve seen, the chargers will include an adaptor for non-tesla’s.
     
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  18. xtomx

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    I had not read that.
    That is awesome.

    Now, if they put some of those adapted superchargers near me, I will be set.
     
  19. JamesA

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    I have a 50amp Wall Box charge on the outside of my garage. I have only used a public charger once for 30 minutes since I got my ID4 in December.

    We pay about 14 cents a Kwh for our electricity (no reduced rates for time of day exist here yet). So a charge costs me between $7 - $10 depending on how much I put in.

    It sure as shit beats the $7 - $8 a gallon we pay in our part of the world. Even with the $1600 it cost me to buy and install the charger, I'm way ahead.
     
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  20. ceezmad

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    I saw a video of one of the 7 they opened in NY.

    It didn't go great,. The length of the cables are obtimized for TESLA cars, other cars will struggle.

    Knowing how Elon operates, some people are speculating that he will open up the bare minimum of superchargers, just enough to qualify for the government tax credits.


     
  21. xtomx

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    Good video, thanks for posting. It also 100% confirms what @Yoshou stated about the adaptors, which is great to see.

    Of course, they are. Those cables are pretty short, but one should be able to work it out, as this person did. For me, I would just back into the spot, same I generally do for Electrify America.

    I have the exact same problem that the owner of the F150 had to do. It takes a bit of manipulating.
    It will take time to replace some of the cables.

    I would not expect anything else from that weasel.
     
  22. xtomx

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    I just passed 10,000 miles on my EV6 (since picking it up in August). I have used public charges about 8 times, and used the Wall Box the rest of the time (and, lately, the free charger at my school a few times).

    I would have purchased a little over 500 gallons of gas for my Honda Pilot. I have saved more than the cost of purchasing/installing the charger already, even considering that we have "relatively" so gas prices by me (about $3.25 per gallon at the moment).
     
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  23. Yoshou

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    From what I've seen, one of the issues that have been identified with the short cords is that the "fix" for cars with plugs on the opposite side of Teslas, they pretty much have to park in the wrong spot for the cable to reach. Given how popular some Tesla chargers are, this can result in a charger "being wasted" as the non-tesla is blocking access to a charger while using another.
     
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  24. xtomx

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    Yes, that was in the video, when they discuss the 'etiquette' of the situation.
     
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  25. bostonsoccermdl

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    Not sure what brand you own, but isn't a 220V adapter an option? Hire a local electrician, install it at the house and be done with it?
     
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