Sure, but basketball leagues around the world aren't emulating/copying the NBA. They're running their leagues according to how sports work where they are. They're growing the game respectively to how sports work where they are. Nobody has an issue with it there OR over here. Yet here in the States, that's an issue w/soccer. Seems hypocritical IMO.
As a fan of an NHL team struggling to stay in playoff contention for the first time in a long while I can say it’s amazing how suddenly the field doesn’t seem so oversized, and how the fan base is freaking out over every single result these days. I imagine that hits even harder for fans of teams that have gone years with no playoffs.
Basketball leagues in Europe are taking cues and learning lessons from the NBA. Hell soccer leagues in Europe are taking lessons from the NBA. And yes every league should be coming up with a system that works best for their circumstances. But when you are in a country where your domestic soccer league is NOT the most watched soccer league in that country then I would hope the owners are looking at the other leagues to see if there any lessons to be learned.
They have differences in some aspects (fouls per game, screen rules, diff 3pt line, diff paint rules - 3sec rule) which actually change the on court game. The last few years the NBA has jumped up greatly in popularity (lots of folks getting the NBA season pass thingy) in Europe. The top stars in Europe go to the NBA and the younger consumers are flocking to the NBA instead of the EuroLeague. In most of the Western part of the continent (save for Spain really) the NBA is the most popular/watched league ... So in a countries where you have a sport where your league isn't the most popular league of said sport, wouldn't you hope the owners are looking at the most popular one to see if there's any lessons to be learned? Or is coming up with/having a system that works best for the circumstances best? It's one or the other ... the principle applies to everyone.
FIFA's Best 11 World Team: Interesting. Four players come from countries with tiny, weeny little countries, about a third. Modric/Croatia 4 million: van Dijk/Netherlands 17 million; deBruyne/Belgium 11 million; Haaland/Norway 5.5 million.
You start the question with an built in constraint that doesnot exist in European leagues, owners. Start the question from the sporting pov.
https://www.feyenoordbasketball.nl/historie/ There's nothing they can learn from the NBA, from a commercial pov, because the circumstances differ too much. Form a sporting pov, tactics/players health etc. obviously alot.
Um, no ... that's not true at all. The current EuroLeague champions are owned by a beverage group. Many of the clubs are the basketball arms of sporting clubs like Barca/Real/Red Star/Tel Aviv ... who, all have owners. Hell one of the Italian clubs is owned by coffee mogul Massimo Zanetti. How doe they not exist in European Basketball? What are you talking about? ... huh? there is PLENTY the EuroLeague can learn from the NBA in terms of selling itself to fans and garnering interest in the league. From a marketing standpoint the differences are beyond drastic. Hell, the make up of many EuroLeague clubs would make the NBA (basically American) approach to marketing the sport/league even MORE attractive and better serving of the clubs/league.
Not sure your point here. I said that that a league/group should come up with a system that works best for them and their unique circumstances. Guessing we are in agreement here. I also think that it's reasonable and responsible for those league/groups to look to see how other places do it. Particularly when those leagues are doing better in your own backyard. And I think you should take particular notice when a system is so universally popular that the mere hint that it might be under threat pushes a national government to step in and move to protect it. Now does any of this mean MLS has to adopt pro/rel? Of course not, they can do what ever the hell they want. But I think they should, and the last ten years has only convinced me even more, as many of the old arguments about not having the financial clout and needing a stronger 2nd division disappear.
Point, is that it is only MLS that everything applies to ... not hard to grasp. You have the exact same example with Basketball in Europe yet ... they should do what works for them (even though that's exactly what MLS is doing). No talk of them needing to/should be switching to the model of the most popular league of the sport. And here, in your responses you're double talking. Yeah, leagues "should" but you only actually apply it to MLS. This is the pattern with folks in regard to MLS.
Most fans of sports around the world probably give little or no thought to their respective league's structure.
Didn't realize this discussion was about the format of Basketball leagues in Europe. For some odd reason I thought it was about pro/rel in the US. Which would include Pro/rel in MLS.
The protests around the European Super League, or the meltdown in the fall when the NL's highest seeds both went out in the Divisional round, or the millions of words written over the last 30 years around the College Football Playoff beg to differ. I actually think fans care a lot about their leagues structure but the only way to show frustration is to not go/watch. And I do agree that a league structure isn't always the #1 reason why fans watch a sport, but it's there. And to be fair I am not sure fans really rank the reasons for liking a sport. It's a combination of factors that lead to our enjoyment with the structure being integral to it. Imagine College Basketball without March Madness, imagine the NFL if the Super Bowl was the best record from the NFC vs AFC. Just because fans don't give up their season tickets in mass when a league adopts a weird playoff system to increase the owners revenue doesn't mean they don't notice.
So, one of UEFA's biggest supporters in the Super League Saga, and also the current president of the European Club Association is under investigation for alleged kidnapping and torture in 2020. https://en.as.com/soccer/psg-presid...and-torturing-investigation-n/?outputType=amp There's still way too much corruption, & cronyism at the top levels of sport.
What is there to explain? Nassar Al Khaligi was Cefferin's biggest supporter during the Super League Saga. He's also the Chairman of PSG, and after the falout of the Super League attempt he replaced Angelli as the head of the European Club Association. He's being investigated for an alleged kidnapping and torture of a n investigative journalist in 2020 related to Qatar's World Cup Bid.
It's his (Ceferin's) job to defend the UEFA/European FA's against a parasite that wants to eat the host from the inside. It's in his job description. The same goes for the ECA, which members would suffer from that esl parasite act as well. So you're discrediting the rightfull (as supported by the European Supreme Court) aims of organizations because of the criminal acts someone did, but which have nothing to do with that particular job, let alone with this particular dossier. Nice try, but fail. You go a long way ...digging up shit in Qatar to smear it onto the UEFA and the ECA in support of the esl.
I'd say the biggest supporters of UEFA - admittedly in a somewhat implicit way - were the fans who came out and very loudly said "fvck this" to the ESL.
Explain? I'm merely pointing out that all sides have shady and questionable actors. Al Nassar used the failed Super League attempt to gain and consolidate even more power and influence in the European Game. Those would be the English fans.....fans of the non-english clubs weren't united against the Super League. As usual things are only being viewed through an England centric lens. Just as the Pro/Rel debate in the US often foes.
What was brought against the proponents of the esl was their false message of doing it for the good of football and the fans, while in reality it was an attempt to corner the football market and lay waste on the rest of the clubs and countries. Nobody brought in any dirt that had nothing to do with the conflict at all of any of the pro esl people. So why do you do that? Because you havenot got one single sticky point to attach to the anti-esl case? Mmm, the epl club fans were the ones to lose most of what is dear to them if the owners took part in it with coveted rivalrees scrapped, because pf the number of 6 clubs iirc and because these owners had committed themselves to that esl proposal. Of the 5 other clubs intended to join, only Juve, Barca and Real had committed themselves. So basically the continent could give shit about that esl as German rules would lead to an instant removal from the BuLi, which would mean an instant death of those clubs and that's why no German club gave their consent to the invitation and the one French club invited is owned by an oil state with canyon deep pockets that donot need that pocket change the esl claimed (but couldnot) to pay out. The whole reason those oil state funds are in Euro football business is to have access to Europe's inner circle and the prestige of European silverware. They arenot in for the money, so from France there was no commitment and no protest either. It was a DOA item for the continental fans.
LOL....And why would UEFA not want a Super League? Oh yeah, because it would cut into their power and control over the game, and the money flowing into it and them. Does anyone honestly believe that if UEFA were getting a sizable cut of profits from a Super League format that they wouldn't rub stamp approve two months ago? And NO the oil states aren't in Euro Football for the Sporting Glory. They're in Euro Football to forge political and business partners.
Mmmm, the typical meme of the uninformed about UEFA forking in money for themselves. The revenues made by UEFA are except for the running costs of the organisation transferred to clubs and FA's. An esl cutting into the money generated by UEFA would in the end cut into the money transfers, so try again. You keep trying to put the money generated by UEFA affiliates (= clubs and FA's) as the same of that by the esl. What part of the aim of the esl to create a barren environment like the USA is for their sports with all the money forked in by a few in Europe and the destruction of the football culture all over the continent can't you grasp. You can attempt to smear as much as you like, but you can't refute what is the truth, certainly not with bogus reasoning like claiming UEFA does it all for themselves. You really should download the annual year reports they are by law obligated to publish and see what happens with the money they make with their activities. One thing we can be sure of and that's if those billons arenot going into the accounts of UEFA, but into the accounts of wannabe esl clubs, none of it will flow over the continent at all. You suck in trying to portray the UEFA as equivalent pocket liners as the esl wannabes. You have no arguments pro esl, not even can you deny what the esl really is about, so the only way is to try to make UEFA look like the esl. Nice try again, but fail. And you can't grasp the fact that UEFA is a members organisation, so it's not their power, but that of their members and these members don't have to put up with a parasite that wants to eat them from the inside. Remember the esl can start tomorrow as an independant entity, but that will be dead in no time and the clubs involved bankrupt. That's why the esl wants to stay inside and as a parasite or more like a cancer take all nutriants = money for them selves and in the end kill the host. This is blocked by the Supreme Court.