The All-Encompassing Pro/Rel Thread on Soccer in the USA

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by bigredfutbol, Mar 12, 2016.

  1. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    it is america for god sake. here they do not like competition they like to be always in the big boys club and never do anything.. people around the world in pro/rel they know they ould get relegated but still do not want to be in top flight if they are bad. around the world 30 owners and not interestd in not competing or not alowing anybody else to join they are open minded. in usa all owners need to agree that they should not allow anybody else to join league because that would mean one owner would be in lower division.there is no competition between owner because they will all be in.
     
  2. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    A few seasons ago, Hitchin Town failed in the promotion playoffs after getting over 100 points. That's a possibility for one of these two this season.
     
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  3. Midwest

    Midwest Member

    Pro-MLS, Aston Villa
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your post is exactly what I'm referring to in my OP. 99% of it is just rambling. Something something America something something OwNerS something something BiG BoyS ClUb.
     
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  4. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How much slivovitz did you have before you wrote this?
     
  5. Midwest

    Midwest Member

    Pro-MLS, Aston Villa
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Should've overloaded on paczkis instead. His hands would've been covered in powdered sugar, too sticky to even touch the keyboard.
     
  6. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    but isn't that a plot for all american sports. if you boring people will not come so leagues in usa or change cities or create something in rules to make sport more exiting. just imgine if some of these owners would be relgated nobody would be at matches. it is culture in usa of if not relevant not interested. but in rest of the world nobody is petrified of being relegate they are so what fans still support teams and owners calculate and create plan for getting back to first division. here in usa is just i belong in division 1 because i am big team in big market lol
     
  7. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Competition happens when folks have an even playing field and there's measures taken to make folks continue to be better than others (salary caps, playoffs, etc).

    Competition is not pitting the richest clubs against those with 1/5-1/10 the resources.

    The choice of "stay in the top league or go down" is going to OVERWHELMINGLY be a no brainer for any fan in a pro/rel league.

    That's just completely incorrect, period.

    That's literally anything dude, wtf .... shit clubs in p/r see much lower att numbers too guy.

    Austria has had a soccer club relocate since the last time an MLS club did. So has Azerbaijan, Italy, and Lithuania .... they've all got p/r

    Except for the fact that attendance numbers show you to be completely full of shit ... other than that, spot on.
     
  8. owian

    owian Member+

    Liverpool FC, San Diego Loyal
    May 17, 2002
    San Diego
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ummm anyone seen the new playoff format for MLS? :sick: ohhh boy.

    First issue is it's hard to create traditions when you keep changing the playoff format.

    But if you are going to change the format this is really the best you could come up with?
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/mls-announces-new-playoff-format-for-2023-season


    Really?

    First you are going to play a whole season to eliminate 1/3 of your teams. So 2/3rds qualify for the playoff . Ummm okay.

    Then you are going to use three different formats during one playoff. WHAT? Wild Card is one match, no extra time strait to PK's. Followed by a three match series, but again no draws, and no extra time, then back to one match but with extra time.

    For the love of god just pick a playoff format, accept that it isn't perfect (none are), and stick with it for at least a little bit.

    Is MLS a soccer league, or the result of an Intern happy hour at a sports marketing firm?

    I know doesn't relate to pro/rel accept that this again brings into question MLS' priorities.
     
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  9. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This.
     
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  10. https://www.corrieredellosport.it/n...e_esclusivo_barcellona_e_juve_cose_mai_viste_
    Rummenigge lashes out towards Juve, Real and Barca, he also opposed the creation of the Super League two years ago.
    "Of course, it is no coincidence that it was an idea of three clubs that are now facing enormous liquidity problems. But the Super League is simply not the solution. The Financial Fair Play rules need to be stricter. Clubs are under constant pressure from the fans and the media to spend money, but football is the only industry that is constantly making a loss."
     
  11. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    I’m loving the idea of the best two out of three round. Don’t need the additional playoff teams but not a deal breaker either. All in all, can’t wait until the season starts!
     
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  12. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    That's NBA standard of regular season devaluation.

    Absent the incentive from the bottom of the table up that pro/rel gives you, it does seem inevitable that oversized playoffs are the name of the game for US closed leagues.
     
  13. Another one of my predictions becomes reality. It's a lengthy article!
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64536218
    Football regulator: UK government confirms new independent body
    By Jonathan JurejkoBBC Sport
    Blocking clubs from joining a breakaway European Super League will be among the powers held by English football's new independent regulator.

    The plan for a regulator, recommended by a fan-led review last year, has been confirmed by the UK government.

    Preventing historic clubs going out of business is one of the aims, as well as giving fans greater input and a new owners' and directors' test.

    The significant move aims to protect English football's cultural heritage.
    The main purposes of the proposed new regulator will be:

    • Stopping English clubs from joining closed-shop competitions, which are judged to harm the domestic game
    • Preventing a repeat of financial failings seen at numerous clubs, notably the collapses of Bury and Macclesfield
    • Introducing a more stringent owners' and directors' test to protect clubs and fans
    • Giving fans power to stop owners changing a club's name, badge and traditional kit colours
    • Ensuring a fair distribution of money filters down the English football pyramid from the Premier League
    "The English game remains one of the UK's greatest cultural exports, with clubs and leagues around the world modelling themselves on its success," the government said before its white paper on football governance - a policy document which outlines the proposed legislation - is released on Thursday.
    "That is why the government is today taking the necessary and targeted steps to ensure that continues for generations."
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No-one is scared of getting relegated? Have you talked to any Valencia fans recently?
     
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  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Home advantage is huge in MLS.
    Home teams win 51% of time compared to 45% in the top-flights in Mexico and Argentina, 42% in Germany, 41% in Italy and Spain and 37% in England and France. I think the home advantage system is working great.

    The teams that win the Wild Card games will probably be eliminated pretty quickly. After that things become a little more even. It's a nice compromise to keep teams in the play-off hunt for as long as possible and giving the best performing teams the best possible advantage.

    I don't think a team that finished before 4th in their conference has reached the final since home advantage was introduced.

    I do hope they stick with this system.
     
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  16. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't FIFA not in favor of governments regulating football? I can see why the English Government would be in favor of this though.....let the lay people concentrate their outrage on football and keep their eyes and ears distracted from the shenanigans of the politicians....
     
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  17. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The constant jiggering with the playoffs is one of my ongoing gripes with MLS.

    And as always, too many teams qualify. It really is silly.
     
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  18. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    UK government.

    I guess it depends on how independent the independent regulator turns out to be.
     
  19. BOSNAINTER

    BOSNAINTER Member

    krajina
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Feb 17, 2006
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    yeah they are not scared it is reality they can not escape from if they get relagated. in american sport everythin is calculate to not be in real world or reality.here in usa owners fusses about how his team is never in play offs next year lets expand play off so more owners can see their investment PAID OFF that competitoon or reality LOL
     
  20. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It annoys me, but to be fair, MLS is a relatively young league, and it's not the only league in the world that keeps tinkering with its format.
     
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  21. I don't think you grasped why I posted that table screen shot. It exemplifies the rewards of P/R.
    Union Berlin promoted in 2019 and are now with the last 16 of the Europa League and currently in the top 3 of the BuLi.
     
  22. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd guess that travel distances have a lot to do with the large MLS home advantage. Even a few Champions League veterans have said they were unprepared for the amount of travel required in MLS. I haven't kept track of it, but I remember there being one MLS season where, for the entire season, there was only one away win in games between teams separated by three time zones.
     
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  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it has a lot to do with parity as well. You don't have the top 6 or 7 teams expecting to win every game.
    When the Football League was more balanced away wins were more of a rarity.
     
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  24. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I don't like it .... but it STILL isn't as bad as the NBA, and folks still flock to that, sooooooo

    Cool story ... LAFC is entering their 6th year of existence and has won the MLS CUP, the Supporter's Shield twice (and set a league record for points), and played in the CCL final, and are arguably the best club in the league.
     
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