Weren't you talking about a hypothetical American football team in Dortmund? NFL teams play 8 or 9 home games. The sport is too brutal for more than that.
NFL was very popular in the UK when it first started being shown on C4 in the 80s, with stars like Joe Theismann and William "The Refrigerator" Perry. Sumo was popular for a while too. I even bought R**skins sweatshirt.
ESL talk is back. I think a pan-European league without English clubs could compete against the EPL. Maybe that's the way to go. It depends what the fans and media in various countries are willing to accept.
I live in North America ... So I'm an expert on the thought in Mexico in regard to lacrosse, yeah? The popularity of American football in Germany is quite evident and easy to find numbers for but yet you can only find wiki entries and resort to the fact you live in the same continent as some kind of factual superiority to the facts readily available for everyone ... Odd take Yes, and not every seller accepts the highest offer. You don't just offer the money and then get the house simply because you offered the money. And again, you say it here ... which franchise would make the most money, which means there's variables at play and not just the check they show up with. How do you move up? What do you have to do in order to win games? How is that achieved? When you move up you're placed in an arena with clubs above your level making you have to do what? In order to survive you need to do what? Etc etc etc ...
Absolutely, and I've never once stated anything to the contrary or discussed against that. P/R executes the end game for divisional qualification through matches on the field. Yes. I'm speaking to the stance of "here it is about money, there it is about sporting merit" .... bullshit, it's about money there too, but they put up the pretense of table placement just like we have the pretense of playoffs.
Channel Four's coverage was my first exposure to the NFL. They had an English NFL kicker - Mick Luckhurst - as their analyst. They showed highlights and also the Superbowl live. I remember staying up late for several lopsided Superbowls in that time period. So when I moved to New England and ended up living near Foxborough, it was inevitable I would be a Patriots fan.
I see they still want their "members" to play in domestic leagues as well. I say fvck 'em. If they want a pro/rel league as they are now claiming, then withdraw from domestic leagues as well.
Did you read the whole thing they're proposing? It's even more unattainable than the original proposition. The whole financial hullaballoo of the original esl with billions ready for the taking proved to be a fata morgana, hence their need to stay in the national leagues, which with the European Court decision in the making was impossible. Now they're coming up with a plan that will never ever make any network want to put money in, because it simply doesnot appeal to the non - european targeted audience. The elephant in the room is the fact the moment a club joins that esl 2.0 they will be thrown out of the national league, players will be banned by the UEFA and FIFA if they play for that esl 2.0. This will be ruled by the European Court as legitimate actions. When you can't deliver for 11 clubs plus a few "excuse clubs" as socalled "open league" alibi, how are you going to do that for 80 clubs?
I actually think regional super leagues on the continent fed by domestic leagues with some form of pro/rel might actually be a good option to generate the kind of revenues the Continental clubs need to compete with the prem, while maintaining traditional rivalries. But I don't trust anyone in football to do anything correctly right now. Really feels like every single decision made when it comes to competitions makes things worse (although the Conference League is growing on me).
Everything in the world involves money. Literally everything. But again getting into MLS involves righting a large check to the league. Getting into the prem involves winning football matches. That's the difference.
The greedy sods that have lost their historical place as 'the moneybags teams' are the ones pushing for this, unsurprisingly the 'other' teams across Europe not invited to this sick club are not too happy about it! https://www.football-espana.net/202...uncing-the-new-european-superleague-proposals Its obvious to us all these proposals are ALL about greed. Foe 60 years government backed Madrid were quite happy spending their way to success, now they no longer have the wealth advantage it's suddenly a problem! They'll have to learn to cut their cloth accordingly like the tens of thousands of 'other' football clubs have been doing for decades! They're hypocrits. If perhaps the TV money was shared out equally amongst the Spanish clubs in the first place the Spanish league would have been more competitive and therefore more popular, then perhaps La Liga would now be commanding the huge TV fees the Premier League is currently getting. Its Barcelona's and Madrid's initial greed that put them into this situation in the first place!
So under this proposal, a team that's in the ESL can get relegated from its domestic league and remain in the ESL... talk about perverse incentives that will lead to the devaluation of domestic leagues.
I don't think that comparison really works. There is no 'pretence' about earning a position through league position. That is the only* way you earn promotion. * it can be a little messier in the semi-pro game, where ground regulations sometimes play a part, and some clubs just don't want to move up, but even then, the next best-placed team is offered the spot. What you can't do is buy a place in a higher division. Well, not unless it's the end of WWI, and you are Arsenal, and have a few friends high up in the football league, who you may be able to "influence".
https://jonmarthaler.com/2023/02/09/mls-versus-the-world.html Good read on how MLS is different, and that's not necessarily a bad thing or a good thing.
Yep and I think she people find the "American" system more attractive, exciting, or lifetime, which is why so many non-American sports have adopted it. It would be interesting to get the views of Hungarians, Spaniards and Filipinos on pro-rel rather than British, anglophobes and one Dutchman.
i can say this with 100% confidence. that nfl in usa in 10 years ill not be most popular sport and they will not be any popular that they are today in europe or world
This is only about money though? Obviously the Premier League is the 'biggest' sports league on the planet because it is the most popular sports league on the planet. We all know that the NFL is massive - in the US - but you can have all the money in the world but if nobody outside the US is interested its not a 'big' sport in the world. I know the NFL have spent hundreds of millions of dollars in trying to grow the game abroad over the last 30 years or so, it is probably more popular outside the US than its ever been and if they target the right audience it might grow more but the truth is it has a long way to go before it rivals rugby let alone football!
Right, either way you're cutting checks and need big ones to get to the top .... And that's the point. It's exponentially worse each season (esp in ENG). The pretence is awarding due to table position by way of game outcomes. It's been put in this discussion before though, the table and spending correlation. Sure, outliers exist and it isn't an exact one for one but the scale is very clear in one direction. Just like it isn't $ = in automatically here. Other things come into play. If the other variables are a go, then the check is written. Other places the checks are written and the hope is the other variables are a go ...
A Brazilian poster on Big Soccer once offered to bet 24 bottles of beer that within 10 years Americans would tire of referring to American football as "football" and start calling it something that would more accurately describe it. That was 14 years ago. As a soccer fan, I wish that your current prediction would come true, but I'm not holding my breath. I know how firmly entrenched American football is here. I hope that change is going to happen eventually, but I don't expect it to happen that fast.
We should start a rugby campaign in the USA, American football the soccer way. Rugby doesnot stop every 10 seconds, is played with eleven players and is faster than American football. Call it the F1 version of the NFA. Quality wise steps have to be made. I saw last year the USA women rugby team playing in the UK on tv, and if that's the level of US men rugby too, it can use a quality spurt.
The US agonisingly lost to Chile in a two-leg qualification series for this year's World Cup and then lost out to Portugal (on points difference!) in the repecharge tournament: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/16/chile-usa--colorado-rugby-world-cup https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/...s-as-portugal-make-it-to-rugby-world-cup-2023 The good news for US rugby is the tournaments will be here in 2031 and 2033: https://www.goffrugbyreport.com/news/its-official-usa-host-2031-and-2033-rugby-world-cups