🚨🚨| JUST IN: Spanish police have now identified 6 Atletico Madrid ultras that hung the Vinicius doll under a bridge. Some of them were involved in a fight that lead to a football fan's death in 2014. @elconfidencial #rmalive pic.twitter.com/LhRp7NYJnJ— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) February 7, 2023
Valladolid announced that they will take away tickets from season ticket holders that participated in racist chants vs Vinicius and the comments under the post are basically anti Vinicius memes, Valladolid fans raging at Ronaldo telling him to sell the club, or Madrid fans applauding them for the decision. There's multiple guys writing "Vini, this entire country hates you" under it. The club got fooled on this issue, and Ancelotti feels totally abandoned trying to solve this on his own.
🚨| Real Madrid are worried that they might lose Vinicius Jr. The Brazilian is losing patience against the constant racism that is being directed towards him in away games & the club is very mad that La Liga is failing to react properly to it. @abc_deportes #rmalive pic.twitter.com/pvqlfs6YhZ— Madrid Zone (@theMadridZone) February 8, 2023 This may also play a role in future signings of la liga in general. Apathetic treatment to serial offenders.
Well, if the club is worried, maybe they should change their stance a bit ? They haven't really protected him at all.
Hes a victim and villain simultaneously, just like the players he gets in arguments with. Both sides pretending this a clear cut issue is what is fuelling it. Zero accountability everywhere. Strange thing is that only a year ago he was just this smiling humble kid. I don't buy that he has become this asshole because of racism towards him. Why wasn't he abused last year? We have plenty of black players who are not abused. Vinicius is the first to get into a scuffle with opponents even when he is nowhere near the action or foul. He insults opponents on a consistent basis with the underlying theme being he is so much more successful, richer, and the rest of the "what is your name" repertoire. Its clear as a day to me that his fame got to his head. The opponents are his colleagues in the same business, he has no right to act superior to them. I also think its likely for him to leave but if he does it will prove he has zero reflection and self awareness.
I guess the La Liga management and the other 19 teams in the league will not mind if Vinnie puts on a request to transfer...
A quote from Hugo Sanchez today in Marca ️ "The more they insulted me, the more important I felt, because they were looking at me. Instead of getting annoyed or nervous, it inspired me."
I don't think this is a take, this is an actual real life [former] player talking about his reaction to experiencing racial discrimination.
Im pretty clearly not referencing Hugo’s comments, more of the insights from our fellow posters on Vini. But regarding Hugo’s comments, that’s fine for him. Not everyone reacts the same way, had the same motivation from negativity like that. Not everyone is the same. Keep that in mind.
So let me get this right, as far as you are concerned, Vin just goes on to the pitch, he's playing the game, playing his football and then he just goes up to and randomly insults his opponents consistently and that's that, the full story as you see it ?
I could ask you the same thing: do opponents just go up to Vinicius and randomly insult him on a racial basis? Why did they start doing that now all of a sudden? You conviniently took out from the quote the part about him not getting into these problems before, and the fact that other black players we have are not abused. Wonder why is that? I don't deny that racism is a major social issue but it can't become an excuse for everything on an individual level. Vinicius is abrasive and seeks out conflict. He thinks he deserves more respect or adulation based on what he has done until now. Sorry but he's not a legend yet and this attitude is not going to help him become one.
Meh where did i mention racism, although i do believe it plays a part, you can ask whatever you want, it wasn't my statement that "He insults opponents on a consistent basis with the underlying theme being he is so much more successful, richer, and the rest of the "what is your name" repertoire. Its clear as a day to me that his fame got to his head. The opponents are his colleagues in the same business, he has no right to act superior to them. I also think its likely for him to leave but if he does it will prove he has zero reflection and self awareness" Those are you words so lets question each other who does what first, your contention is that he just does this because " fame got to his head", so it seems to me that you think all that happened is Vin got bigheaded, and decided to "consistently" insult opponents out of the blue, i'm not sure how you know this but it's " clear as day" to you. I think his opponents attack him because he is a threat to them on the pitch unlike when he was a "smiling humble kid" who couldn't find the goal or his teammates with enough regularity to be a threat to them, and that some racism is involved especially from the FANS at away grounds, this all feeds into the narrative against him, you seem to think he's just big headed
There are a couple of different issues going on: 1 - The racial abuse from opposing fans, from that guy who went on TV making that monkeying around comment, and some players / media people who have made very dubious comments at the very least (example, I wouldn't have Vin Jr. as my son's role model). 2 - The trash talking on the field and consistent fouling. This is part of the game. Players like Ronaldo, Neymar more recently and others in the past (Maradona, R9) have experienced some similar treatment on the field. This has to be controlled by the ref and as we know, each ref has their own subjective interpretation of the game. Unfortunately there can be some racist players who are incensed about the whole thing going on who may take cheap physical shots at Vin Jr. in the form of hard fouls. But that's going to be impossible to prove. I am not aware of racist insults being thrown at Vin Jr. from other players on the pitch. Even if there is no racial insult involved, Vin Jr. is entitled to trash talk if he feels like he is getting beat up or if he thinks it gives him a psychological edge. Obviously, that has the potential to escalate things and make him more of a target. But that is what defenders have historically done to intimidate attacking players. It is part of the game. On an unrelated note but related note, Brazilian basketball player was racially abused in a game in Spain. Clear shot of the offender. ❌INTOLERABLE❌😳Esto ocurrió ayer en el Olímpic de Badalona. El video muestra como unos aficionados gritan "mono" a Yago Mateus dos Santos mientras se ríen.Fue en el partido entre Joventut y el R. Ulm. Ir al deporte a insultar es vergonzoso...#baloncesto #Eurocup pic.twitter.com/lR8uzSmZVA— Pick&Cast (@PickAndCast) February 8, 2023
Real Madrid plays a game in Morocco and you can see the difference from the current Spanish environment. No racial insults, no excessive fouling on Vinicius, no excessive complaining to the ref. Of course there were chippy plays, but nothing extra like has been going on in Spain. He plays a normal game of football with 14 dribbles attempted and a goal. Could’ve had a penalty called in his favor too. But yeah it’s all his fault and his alleged big mouth what has been happening to him in Spain. At least he probably won’t have those terrible experiences in the Champions League when it’s not in Spain.
Vini needs to be prudent in deciding when to take on defenders. Out of 100 only 14 are worse than him while taking players on.
We need to have more variation as a team though. When people claim that he's been figured out is that teams have figured out that our main idea of scoring is passing it to Vinicius and see what happens or have Asensio/Valverde score the goal of a century.
Agreed and though he's not a superstar (yet) or as consistent as we would like right now it's why i like to see Rodrygo play, especially seeing Benz is off form, he brings something different, and gives the opposition a bit more to think about than just Vin
We're about as creative as the writers for the A-team. Honestly I'm amazed Jr beats players as often as he does given everyone including the guy who watches our games sporadically knows what we're going to do.