PBP: Chelsea v Fulham

Discussion in 'Chelsea' started by StamfordBridgeLions, Feb 3, 2023.

  1. Gacm32

    Gacm32 Member+

    Chelsea
    Switzerland
    Nov 28, 2010
    Geneva
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    My cousins lived 2 km away from Stamford Bridge, and my first football memory was watching us beat Leicester at home in 1998. You lot have ALWAYS refused to criticize your own.
     
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  2. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    We're obviously a team in transition. Compared to the last few games, we've looked better.

    Gallagher, I like him, had hopes for him, but he really isn't it. Having both James and Chilwell back makes a difference. I'm liking Badiashile and he's part of why we haven't conceded any goals the last couple of games. Enzo was remarkable.

    We did however, have a few decent chances, including that Fofana chance but Tim Ream decided to act like prime Nesta. There was that Enzo shot as well that was just one of those matter of inches. Also, Fulham got away with some nasty stuff.

    The way I look at it is we're a tad better than what we've seen the last few weeks, but we have much room for improvement.
     
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  3. Dtrip77

    Dtrip77 Member+

    Jun 10, 2009
    N NJ!!!
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Enter rant....

    Potter is in over his head. If he actually had a playing style, he would make the new boys sit and watch. Instead what do we see today...

    James - great having him back but shouldn't have started. Easily could have been a repeat situation

    Enzo starting after 48hrs with the team. Don't get me wrong he was good, but shouldn't have started.

    Mudryk starting and being yanked off. Should have been a power sub. And I already see resemblance of Mount not passing to him just like Werner.

    Ziyech starting after flying to PSG, sitting in their boardroom and then being told CFC botched the paperwork. Flys back and starts. What a joke.

    Potters team selection is all over the place. No rhym or reason. Don't give me the whole no preseason BS either. The man had a winter WC to organize his team. He also just had 2 weeks with a full squad. You can implement a style of play with reserves, yet I still don't see a proper formation or tactical awareness of any sort. We do the same thing game in and game out regardless of opponents.

    I really want to see him succeed and there is still time to right the ship. Maybe he can take some coaching classes or play football manager a bit.

    /End rant
     
  4. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    The Myth of Potter. Potter didn't take Brighton to a very very good style. He took them from Hughton's very cautious defensive football to a more possession based approach. However, there was rarely any speed in the passing or good movement off the ball which Brighton fans are seeing now with Robeeto de Zerbi. Potter's possession football is what we saw a lot of tonight. The ball is knocked about in defence, played to a wide man, returned if there is no easy pass on, before somebody gets fed up and lumps it forward.

    We had 67% of the possession. We had very little penetration. We were very risk adverse.

    Since the Potter departure. . . Brighton are now encouraged to take players on in attacking situations and are not afraid to have a shot at goal. The improvement of players there eg. March and the fact that players are given a chance eg. Mitoma has been notable since Potter left.

    Potter has a ready made excuse at Chelsea because of all the new players and, admittedly, injuries. If he's still here in a year's time I wonder what the explanation will be when we're still watching the same tedious football.

    Very concerned with the lack of identity and character that we currently have under Potter. Give Potter more time? Give all our past managers more time? Maybe. I mean. I am still waiting for Potter to change our style a bit. Experiment. Excite the fans. But he doesn't seem to have any ideas, what he has is a large squad of some pretty freaking good players. We have some creative players. We need to let loose our creative players and until we do that it is going to get worse.
     
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  5. Dr_Intoxicated

    Dr_Intoxicated Member+

    Sep 10, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    "You lot" , could you please clarify that for me
     
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  6. Gacm32

    Gacm32 Member+

    Chelsea
    Switzerland
    Nov 28, 2010
    Geneva
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    #56 Gacm32, Feb 4, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
    I’m sure you can sort that out, considering you insinuated I « hate » all the English players.
     
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  7. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Are you actually trying to insinuate that Potter has got nothing to do with Brighton's current position! :eek: You do realise that every season he had them he had them playing better and better, if he was at the helm they would still be sitting exactly where they are now! When he first took over they were not only odds on relegation candidates but there football was turgid, its actually quite incredible that it only took him under 3 seasons to do it! Potters last game was a 5-2 defeat of Leicester I believe, De Zerbi has simply taken the reigns. Just think where he will be with us in 2 season's time.
     
  8. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    #58 StamfordBridgeLions, Feb 4, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
    Ask Brighton supporters what they think maybe? I think you will find that Potter is NOT this tactical genius that you seem to think he is. He has certainly not introduced any particular innovations or style since he has been at Chelsea. Potter at Brighton? From my experience Brighton fans see things differently to you. The way they see it in Brighton is that Potter took over from Hughton's very cautious defensive football and introduced a more possession based approach. However, there was rarely any speed in the passing or good movement off the ball which Brighton fans are seeing now with Robeeto de Zerbi. Brighton fans are happier with their new manager is the truth of the matter. Brighton fans can see how Potter helped their evolution, the same way that Sarri helped ours. But IF possession football is all you've got, then you're not going anywhere - literally. . . AND in all honestly I’m not even anti potter, I hope he does well, that would make me totally happy in fact, but I’m not sure he’s the right coach for this team. I have not seen any evidence that he is able to make this team successful.
     
  9. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

    Chelsea, Gillingham
    Jul 17, 2004
    Freedom
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Agree, I was high on the coaching change and the first few games I thought we looked more dangerous with more attacking movement in to, and in the box, but the evidence that worries me is that the more time Potter has to work with the team or some of the team, the World Cup and the last two weeks, the more we lack purposeful or dangerous movement or any sign of a cohesive team plan or identity.

    Now I think, the early positive signs were the players feeling free of Tuc's shackles before Potter put on his own shackles. Tuc's team I found dull to watch, now we are just dire and miserable to watch and at least Tuc was fun to watch on the sidelines and more interesting in interviews. Reminds me a bit of Moyes, who I mostly like, who kept Everton in the top third usually, like Brighton, but at ManU had no idea how top class movement with top class players and top class tactics could work. So if he can not step up and destroy Moyes with his much better players, then

     
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  10. JimWharton

    JimWharton Member+

    Feb 25, 2017
    This happens in American football sometimes in the college ranks. A coach does cool things/has success at a small school but when they move to the big programs, it just doesn’t work out (tactics don’t translate, big program egos too tough to manage, intense expectations, etc). It happened with Rich Rodriguez at Michigan. Same sort of refrain, “Look what he did at West Virginia, just think what he’ll do with the talent and resources at a school like Michigan.”

    Not necessarily saying this is what’s happening with Potter, but there is a familiar pattern.

    Curious how the players are feeling.
     
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  11. Dr_Intoxicated

    Dr_Intoxicated Member+

    Sep 10, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    You lot implies that you are referring to a group that I belong to. I am a first generation immigrant who came to the UK in the 50s. I grew up within walking distance of Stamford bridge and attended my first game in 1964. I don't support England so I doubt I fit into your definition of "you lot". On the other hand there is plenty of evidence from your posts that you do not have a high option of our ex academy players
     
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  12. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Oh living where I'm currently living I know a LOT of Brighton fans, believe me they know what Potter has transformed Brighton into. Basically he took Brighton from long ball relegation fodder to a club with more than a good chance of obtaining European football and doing so by playing attractive football.......lets not forget what he achieved before Brighton with a VILLAGE team either.
    For the record I also know a couple of Swansea fans too and their biggest regret is that they couldn't keep hold of him! Maybe you should show the sort of patience other clubs have shown in the past? I know that being a Chelsea fan means we're used to changing managers every few months but really that is NOT the way forward! If Chelsea have not improved by this time next year then we can start having this conversation. Let me ask you a question? Are you old enough to remember when Hoddle took over the manager role at Stamford Bridge?
     
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  13. Dtrip77

    Dtrip77 Member+

    Jun 10, 2009
    N NJ!!!
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fact of the matter is, players look lost on the pitch. We have 2 goals in what, 6 matches? We are not shooting and definitely not scoring.

    "The 47-year-old is educated to degree level in disciplines beyond sport and has combined these experiences to forge a collaborative, forward-thinking approach while developing attacking and winning football."

    This announcement statement couldnt be further from the truth.
     
  14. Dr_Intoxicated

    Dr_Intoxicated Member+

    Sep 10, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Ah Glen Hoddle the turning point in Chelsea history. He started the revival that laid the foundation to our glory years
     
  15. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    #65 StamfordBridgeLions, Feb 5, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2023
    Well, David Webb was in his sheepskin and saved the club from relegation and the next fing y'know we got Glenn "Diamond Lights" Hoddle as manager. Hoddle was not with us for long. But bringing in the players that he did [players that went on to become managers] was something else. We signed Gullit that was unbelievable. Gullit brought in Vialli and Zola and Mark Hughes. Yep, Hoddle was the catalyst and he was full of ideas. IF only Potter had half of the ideas that Hoddle had at that time.

    Potter? Managing a village team and managing superstars requires a totally different mindset and approach.

    Q. Why is not changing the manager every few years not the way forward? It has worked out very well for us in our recent history.
     
  16. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Man, I'm being patient at this rate. We've had so many injuries this year, a World Cup in the middle of the season, and then some. I'm convinced our injury luck is due to the amount of games we've been playing this season and last. Throw in UEFA's stupid reforms and well, there's going to be more players getting hurt at this rate. That said, one of the players that needs a serious rest is Mount. He has been run into the ground at this rate.

    And as I mentioned in another post, we looked better than the last few games.
     
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  17. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Yes, I was there 28th Dec 1993, Chelsea (in the relegation zone) v Newcastle (fighting for the title). only 3 wins ALL SEASON, 9 loses & 3 draws from our last 12, MANY people screaming for Hoddles head. A match played mostly on the 'back foot' HOWEVER there was something different, our football no longer Porterfield 'long ball', when we did attack is was fluid, nice to watch, and then bang 1-0 (Stein I think, or Peakock?) a very decisive, beautiful counter attack, we win the game 1-0 and suddenly afterwards we start picking up points, only 3 losses over the next 18 games, we finish 14th (actually 3 places worse off than the season before) BUT there is something different about us now - we play bloody attractive football, we are attracting bigger crowds, turning heads, Hoddle is taken by the English national team but by then he's transformed the club, not (yet) into winning trophies but making Stamford Bridge the place to be seen.

    The rest is history, I wonder what would have happened if the board had caved in to the original pressure of sacking Hoddle before that Christmas?
     
  18. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Hoddle did FAR more than just 'bringing in players'!! Changing manager ever few years might be OK but changing them twice a year? Besides its fine when you are the moneybags club, you can attract any manager you want but now City, Newcastle, PSG and every other Premier League club is as loaded as we are its not so easy!! I don't think it would be as easy to get hold of Guardiola right now as it was in 2007! Who would you bring in? I think we've missed out on Dyche! Its easy saying Pochitino but he wasn't exactly tearing it up in the French league despite PSG having NO competition, I'm not sure how he would do in a league with City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Utd, Spurs, Brighton etc!

    Newcastle just failed to beat relegation fodder West Ham, Arsenal just lost to Everton........I wonder if Newcastle fans want Howe out? Or if Arsenal fans want Arteta gone because of it?
     
  19. StamfordBridgeLions

    Chelsea FC
    Sep 4, 2016
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    #69 StamfordBridgeLions, Feb 6, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2023
    I would imagine Arsenal and Newcastle fans are happy. Certainly happier than Chelsea fans right now. IF Chelsea were top of the league then there would not be any doubts about Potter. Our doubts are there, because our results are shit.

    what do you like about Potter possession ball? I mean you want us to continue to have 70% of the possession without any meaningful attacking edge? Is that the football you like to watch? Potter has spent some time with these players on the training ground. What are the tactical highlights and achievements thus far?

    According to my Brighton mates, " it was always about possession for the sake of it, lacked aggression. as you obversed earlier. Potter wasnt a bad manager, just a bit frustrating, we know we could play but sooo many draws against poorer teams."

    Potter's team selection and tactics often resulting in no goals. . . .people can see the job he did at Brighton was over rated, how much better do Brighton look now without him as the manager? sure he set them up nicely, but he couldn't take it to the next level. Chelsea are ready NOW to go to the next level. We do not need more possession football coaching and that seems to be ALL that Potter has got.
    Potter has a serious issue getting his teams to create and score consistently.
     
  20. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    He's only been in charge for 20 games!! Not only that he hasn't even ONCE had a chance to pick anything remotely close to his best team! How were Arsenal looking 20 games after Arteta first took charge? They were NOT in the top 4 that's for sure and they didn't have the worst injury crisis in their clubs history - what was Arteta's excuse?
     
  21. Dr_Intoxicated

    Dr_Intoxicated Member+

    Sep 10, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    I never really appreciated how good a player Hoddle was until I saw him in the flesh in a blue shirt. And it only got better with Gulit
     
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  22. Dr_Intoxicated

    Dr_Intoxicated Member+

    Sep 10, 2002
    London
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    What you say about possession play is all true and tedious, but I think that under Potter there has been more forward passes. We just have to improve the accuracy of them and get more movement up front. Play into space and the channels, players actually running forward when they get the ball
     
  23. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    What we really need is a half decent striker! Fofana looked quite lively after coming on........well certainly compared to Havertz.......not that that was a difficult thing to do of course!
     

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