Next Coach

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Jesse is gonna be the name many talk about. I see some are talking about how inflexible he is tactically. I think it's a bit overblown that tactics are what hurt Leeds. Not saying Jesse shouldn't have been fired but I don't think this was a case of being outclassed tactically
     
  2. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it is partially his tactics as that is why he didn't fit at RBL. They had changed their tactics from the RB standard and the players balked at going back to them. Marsch couldn't or wouldn't adjust and they mutually parted ways. Just too similar to what happened at Leeds especially with non tactical adjustments in games with a lead.
     
  3. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    I like Jesse (based on superficial knowledge -- who knows if he kicked someone in 1990 of course) and his teams are generally entertaining, but he would be a bad choice for the Nats. He is driven to implement a system and expects results to flow. That works sometimes (see Alabama football), but it can only work, when it does, at a club. A national team has to get results on the spot and has to keep things a bit more simplified due to the limited about of time the team works together. Good luck to Jesse, but stay away from the Nats please.
     
  4. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    what makes you say that?

    hes moved from mls to austria to germany to england. thats as successful a club resume- at 49- as any..."homegrown" american manager (not sure how to differentiate between arena, bradley, marsch and wagner, matarazzo but im not implying anything negative toward either group).

    im not sure what the level of interest in him is/will be, but i think second tier is a pretty safe assumption right? i would think he is a pretty attractive candidate to promotion battlers looking to make a push, for example.

    point being while its completely understandable if he were interested in/took the nt that would be curtailing, again, one of those most impressive club career trajectories weve seen.

    say west brom (rando example) calls tomorrow, and cindy parlow leaves a message theyll probably have an sd/gm in place by the end of summer- "no question he'd take the job" seems, well, questionable.

    you could absolutely be right, but even if he were to take the nt job over a couple of pretty decent club offers i think there would be huge questions involved.
     
  5. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    or wrexham! maybe wrexham wants him.

    ...sorry, ive just wanted to make some dumb wrexham post since i finally watched that.
     
  6. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    No.
     
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  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Marsch has been pretty public about how he really wants to coach the USMNT at some point and how much of an opportunity he thinks it'd be for 2026 in particular.

    Based on his own public statements I think it's pretty clear he wouldn't turn it down. Now whether or not he's the right choice or not is a different discussion. Now if he gets another job in the next couple of months that's perhaps the a different discussion, but I'd be surprised if he'd take something else so soon.

    I think other offers are more likely to be in Germany than in England. It's been a not great run for the Red Bull system in England between Marsch, Ragnick, and Hasenhüttl all doing poorly in the EPL in recent years.
     
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  8. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    We're not going to run our way to the WC semifinals.
     
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  9. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Jesse Marsch "might" well make a good coach for the USA. That is if he his not quite as inflexible as he often has appeared lately. I don't really know his overall approach to coaching in general. He may be intelligent enough to realize that a very different approach must be used for national teams than is effective for clubs. Or it is possible he does not.

    It also could be that he would be VERY good for the USA but smart enough to not want to associate with an origination as foolish as USA soccer.

    I would like to see how he approaches the current situation and how he changes or at least tries to change USA soccer. But I think he may be a bit too self assured to really be wanted by USA soccer. He often appears to be very independent of influences from above.

    But the real question is can USA soccer make the hard choice to choose a coach that just got fired for poor performance.
    I think he would be OK at a minimum and even maybe great for the USA but I also think that chances of the USA hiring him and his acceptance of an offer from the USA is no greater than 40-45%.

    Jesse Marsch would be a very interesting choice but I am very unsure that choice will be made in a time frame that would make Marsch interested.

    One advantage for me is that the name Jesse Marsch is much easier for me to spell correctly that many of the other choices that could be made. ;)
     
  10. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Yeah, I agree. It has been slow, but he has become incrementally less doctrinaire overtime. He would not be in my top five, but I wouldn’t be desponded if he was selected. I think open minded people learn from every big setback. He strikes me as someone who is, in the end, open minded.
     
  11. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    This is an Athletic article on Marsch, with lots of quotes from him, after he left Leipzig.

    https://theathletic.com/3083652/202...ature-and-coaching-the-usmnt-against-england/

    It's paywalled, but it both makes you really like the guy but also really question whether he'd be a good USMNT coach.

    I think he'd been an incredibly man motivator for our team, and you can't question his commitment, or I think, his character.

    But he's very Red Bull, and it's clear from his own words that he believes in how he coaches to the point of rather walking from the Leipzig job than adapting. I don't think he is some arrogant person incapable of learning, but he also doesn't seem overly interested in coaching a different way.

    I like certain aspects of Red Bull for our team, but I also think there's fundamental issues with the tactics for our team, especially going into 2026.
     
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  12. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jesse Marsch was my first choice in 2017 before Berhalter was hired, he along with Dolo remains my top USMNT-legacy choice. USSF should aggressively pursue Marsch but there is a good chance Carlo Ancelotti may also soon become available.
     
  13. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    im not sure if i want to argue this or not...

    i think we have to have a strong setup in the back (plus adams) because thats not where our top end talent is. but otherwise? i think running (or to be more specific quick combos on the ground looking to create and use space- with speed) is exactly what we are going to have to do to make a run.

    every impact/potential impact player we have fit that profile. we need to play into that as much as humanly possible (with the only caveat being that defensive consideration)- not catering to far less talented cfs, not using every position to press nonstop, not sending in endless crosses to- again- marginal forwards, and not forsaking any attack whatsoever in the middle of the pitch.
     
  14. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    There are system guys and he is one. I have no interest in going with yet another mostly inflexible or totally inflexible coach w/his system being forced over top of the talent pool regardless of its strengths or weaknesses. Straight pass. Worth noting, his approach has worked with a flagship side in a bad league (RBS) and nowhere else. Otoh, I think the underlying data suggests that Leeds has largely been unlucky to have so few points this year, but I don't care. I don't want him near the USMNT.
     
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  15. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jesse Marsch for usmnt coach? OK. Compared to other US coaches, he is more experienced. Will he do a great job? Who knows? Will he be pressured by the ussf mafia? Hopefully not. With the level of our team, with the level of soccer interest in the US, I do not see the US getting an internationally recognized super coach. I think JM is about as good a coach as we could get.
     
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  16. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it has been figured out. It was novel at first but everything gets analyzed and once anybody anywhere has success every copies.
     
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  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think he did well in MLS as well.

    But I agree that this level of adherence to a very specific style of play -- and it's a style waaaay along one spectrum -- is not what you'd want.

    And I think that a big part of his issue at Leeds is that he has a lack of consistent goal-scoring attackers. But so does the US, and I'm not sure we should be looking to a guy who can't solve that.

    I also think you've got to be defensively solid. I think Jesse's style could be a bit of fool's gold for us because I think the smaller teams can't handle it at all, but it'd be like a full court press in basketball... it gets disproportionately less effective as you move up.
     
  18. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My general view is he should be on the list and there’s a lot of things about him that’d be a good fit as far as the national team is concerned. I also think he’d probably be a fairly good dual national recruiter.

    Some of the issues you noted are exactly the sorts of things he should be asked questions about in an interview and I’d broadly want to know his vision for the USMNT and how they would play.

    I also think with the Copa America next summer you could pull the plug if it seems like things aren’t working.
     
  19. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Think I'd take him over Jesse "I have one idea and am bad at adjustments" Marsch.
     
  20. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I just don't think we developed an entire generation of players who are good on the ball all so we can kick the ball to the other team and chase them at 150 mph.

    At least I hope we didn't.
     
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  21. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Just have to say looking at social media I feel that Dolo doesn't get enough love as a good candidate (same with Curtain)

    I get wanting to go for someone higher, and I genuinely agree, but I think both are being buried by some just for being MLS coaches
     
  22. rashaverak1961

    New England Revolution
    United States
    Jul 23, 2017
    The next USMNT manager. Book it! Not sure he's the best candidate, but the timing is propitious for him being hired.
     
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  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    While I do think the Copa America presents a good evaluation point for a riskier hire, I don't think Marsch is the risk I want to take.

    For starters, I imagine they are going to want to let the new Sporting Director have some input, but let's say we get in Marsch in time for Nations League or the Gold Cup. It's still just a year to adapt the entire team to a different, system-driven style of play. It's a bit of whiplash.

    I'm not sure what the upside is for that style of play. I think the Red Bull style was always a good fallback, something with pressing and direct play that you could do that would be pretty good but not the end goal.

    I think when you hire Jesse, you are basically picking Red Bull for the cycle to some extent. Because I really don't think you can do multiple 180s very easily, and it takes time from other things.

    I guess this is a long winded way of saying the risk is higher than the upside, to me. I'd first and foremost like to find someone who can take the high level way we were playing and evolve it.

    And if I'm doing generic American here, I'd much rather look at a Cherundolo or a Pelligrino Matarazzo. But maybe I am just undervaluing the risk of the unknown there.
     
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully they already have other, better, candidates...

    Add Jim Curtin to the list, he deserves consideration alongside any other Americans.
     
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  25. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We don't need a motivator.

    We need an elite tactician if we're ever going to move towards maximizing our talent.
     
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