The American Cable Cutter Thread

Discussion in 'TV, Satellite & Radio' started by SpencerNY, May 22, 2015.

  1. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since they lost MLS, TBH, it may vary based on which channel. I only get my regional ones.

    I do miss when FSW/FSC had the NCAA game of the week. I'd imagine 100% of televised NCAA soccer is on some ESPN (including ACC Network or LHN) or unrelated conference TV (BTN, PAC-12 Network) outlet nowadays.

    What indoor soccer is televised? Indoor or USL might be the best bet for Bally channels. Obviously that won't be nationwide.
     
  2. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. daniloni

    daniloni Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Jul 17, 2013
    Oakland, CA
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  4. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


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  5. Roti2000

    Roti2000 Member

    Apr 27, 2012
    Does anyone know what’s going on with the Spanish language tv rights for the USMNT? I haven’t seen anything about Spanish broadcasting of the Jan friendlies.
     
  6. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They're on Maximo de HBO. :ROFLMAO:

    Sidenote: I'd guess that the vast majority of people who get HBO Max get the HBO linear TV channel. In fact, I'd put every subscriber into one of these groups:
    1) People who get HBO Max via an AT&T plan (Internet 1000, AT&T mobility).
    These people don't get HBO TV channels.

    2) People who pay a TV provider.
    These people get HBO Max and probably HBO TV channels.

    3) People who pay directly for HBO Max.
    These people don't get HBO on their TV lineup.

    With that said, I find it strange that HBO TV channels don't have the games.
     
  7. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    NBCUniversal's Telemundo will air US Soccer matches.
     
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  8. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #383 Kryptonite, Jan 17, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2023
    Because I'm clueless about Telemundo...

    I look on Hulu. I see what appears to be a local affiliate for Telemundo. The guide says "SIGN OFF" and it shows a commercial in Spanish.

    HBO Max is showing the USWNT game.

    Why is this so?

    Speaking of the game, the PbP guy seems good. It's bringing back memories of Fox Sports World with no scroll at the bottom, no annoying graphics ala ESPN or Fox and other than an occasional AT&T 5G logo in the top right, the only on-screen graphic is the score/time bug in the top left.

    Hopefully it's like this on TNT and not like their other sports.

    A big downside? There's no DVR controls. If you pause, you can play, but can't FF to live.
     
  9. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
    Yesterday's match was on Universo, a NBCUniversal-owned cable TV channel.
     
  10. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's a question.

    Say someone has Comcast.
    For whatever reason, they really like it.
    They move to an area outside Comcast's footprint.
    They couldn't get Comcast's streaming service if they wanted to.

    You *think* the traditional cable companies would allow their streaming services to be available all across the country, right?

    Wouldn't that be good for the evolution of the cable companies? Obviously, you wouldn't get the local channels or RSNs and that's probably part of the reason why, but I'd also think that the Comcasts and Charters of the country would be interested to figure out how to work out their own national streaming services.
     
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  11. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Spot on!

    Spectrum already has a solid app and national contacts with providers. I really don't see any reason for not opening up a national streaming package for those outside the traditional market.
     
  12. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    There's big cable companies like Charter, Comcast, RCN and probably others.

    There's smaller ones that you never know exist if you're not in that area. Brighthouse was essentially Florida's Time Warner. There's also WOW, Breezeline, Blue Ridge and a plethora of others all over the country.

    You also have AT&T U-Verse and Verizon FiOS. As of last I heard, there's only a small part of the country where these overlap. For a while, Verizon stopped building to new customers because their FTTP method was too expensive. U-Verse is on borrowed time and isn't taking new customers.

    Obviously certain companies have contracts with certain areas. This is why Comcast isn't available where Charter is...but this has to do with physical wires, right? I'm guessing the smaller companies may use the bigger company's infrastructure, or maybe they don't.

    If I had Comcast and wanted to switch to another company, the other company could probably use the same physical wires...they'd just need a few changes outside the home.

    When a Time Warner house wanted to switch to U-Verse (originally fiber to the node), they wouldn't need to wire the entire premises with a new setup. Even if it was fiber to the home, the same coax could be used inside the home.

    There may still be limited contractual situations where certain things don't work. (Example: Some music channels on U-Verse may not work without AT&T internet. For a while, a customer needed the same ISP as their cable TV company to access that channel's app, but I think this was just ESPN and I'm guessing that's long in the past across all providers.)

    So yeah, I don't know why the cable companies don't create a true streaming service in line with Hulu or Fubo.

    Spectrum would obviously need contracts with channels that haven't traditionally been in their areas... example of NBC Sports Network (formerly Comcast Sports Network.) But then they could look at Fubo and apply RSN fees that vary by locality.
     
  13. Renzi

    Renzi Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Aug 4, 2019
    They don't have the streaming rights. Even if Spectrum shows TNT on its cable package, for example, it doesn't have the rights to stream TNT to anyone it wants. The streaming and linear rights are separate. It's the same reason channels like Bally Sports can show local MLB, NBA, NHL games on TV, but have can't just stream those games to anyone they want (they have to acquire streaming rights).
     
  14. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    Spectrum does have streaming rights to 95% of their channels. That spectrum app is solid. Only things worthwhile I cannot stream are Bally's Sport South, MLB/NHL/NBA Networks
     
  15. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seems Sinclair wants people to use the Bally app to stream.

    The only things I can't stream through the U-Verse app are local channels and Bally Sports Ohio and Great Lakes. (Two different channels.)
     
  16. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    T mobile giving its customers MLS Season Pass for 2023
     
  17. NaBUru38

    NaBUru38 Member+

    Mar 8, 2016
    Las Canteras, Uruguay
    Club:
    Club Nacional de Football
  18. Art Deco

    Art Deco Member

    Dec 10, 2009
    Just took advantage of this; if you're a T-Mobile subscriber don't miss out. Activated it through the T-Mobile Tuesdays app, not sure how long the offer will be available.
     
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  19. bwiorly

    bwiorly Member

    May 3, 2004
    Louisville, KY
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I just signed up too. A few easy steps starting from the T-Mobile Tuesdays app. Small print says offer redeemable until March 14 but might as well grab it now b/c it looks like no matter when you activate the offer, the free year only lasts until February 1, 2024.

    I'm sure baseball fans know this, but just in case, over the past few years, T-Mobile has had the same deal for MLB: free year of MLB TV through the T-Mobile Tuesdays app. No word yet as to whether they'll have it for 2023 season, but it's worth installing app on your phone and checking it every Tuesday.
     
  20. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Golazo Network has already added quite a bit more than initially advertised. They had a preview show for the Argentine LPF yesterday afternoon before showing a live game at 5pm CT. At 7:30 they had a live NWSL game. There was a Serie A preview show this morning. They're airing the UWCL semifinals and finals which are licensed to DAZN in the US, so in just a few weeks they've added at least one competition that isn't under a CBS property.

    The biggest FAST streamers have surprising numbers of monthly engagement: Pluto claimed 72 million monthly users in Q3 of 2022 and Tubi claimed 64 million in Q1 of 2023. Revenue for FAST streamers is projected to reach $6.3 billion this year and Pluto alone is reached $1 billion net income from ads last year. The same company that projected the $6.3 billion in 2023 noted that:

    I've been wondering if the future is some combination of OTA, FAST, and then the variety of existing streamers as an add-on option to their respective other services. My thinking is something like this: I turn on my Roku TV and the current "channels" are now entry points to more than just Paramount+, Disney+, etc. Now when I click on the CBS/Viacom channel, it takes me into a section where my local CBS channel streams, a handful of other things like CBSSN and Golazo Network stream via the FAST model (while keeping the current channels that are causing the services to flourish), and if I pay for it then certain exclusive content shows up as on-demand Paramount+ shows and movies. It feels like Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Apple will remain their own things, but the other services all seem like they need something like this to actually make money.

    To that point, this article contains an interesting quote:

    Is the future of all this some setup where OTA and FAST play the role of basic cable and the existing paid streaming services are the equivalent of premium cable? If so, is the Golazo Network the replacement for current destinations like CBSSN, FS1, etc? If it is, they're going to need a live guide that covers more than 3-4 hours at a time.
     
  21. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    FAST is the future of OTA imo but the big question is will the Big 4 allow the model of an 8pm commercial filled first run airing of the newest show to continue in the digital era. Right now they pay wall the new stuff behind Hulu, Peacock, etc but I could see a future where non subscribers have an opportunity to watch the latest Law and Order on a NBC FAST channel at a certain time and date before it goes behind Peacock paywall
     
  22. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I could see a couple of things there.

    Right now Peacock does "super" episodes of The Office where they're taking favorites from each season and editing back in scenes that were cut for broadcast. Maybe those live behind the paywall and the regular stuff is on a FAST service.

    Another option would be a 3-6 month exclusive window for the paid service before being released to the FAST option.

    The last one is something that I've seen already happening a bit. The content owner is releasing a few seasons on a FAST service over time. Airwolf has all 4 seasons on Roku Channel but only 1-3 so far on Tubi. I've seen other shows where they'll have a few seasons on a FAST service, but they rotate which ones are available so that you can't just watch something all the way through.
     
  23. drt2k3

    drt2k3 Member

    Jul 1, 2005
    Wilmington, NC
    Club:
    Wilmington H.
    I'm thinking more of convenience. OTA still exists but you have to watch the show filled with ads and you have to watch it when they air it. FAST can operate the same way.

    I do like your idea of a delayed FAST release too. That's kinda what happened with Friday Night Lights. It was on DirecTV months prior to its NBC OTA showing.

    I think getting eyes on new shows is important. If they are always behind a payroll it will be more difficult to gain a following.

    FAST will provide exposure while you can pay for ad free and a more flexible on demand viewing
     
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  24. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
  25. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Black tape would fix that issue.

    ISTM that FAST is good/suitable if you're looking for mindless background noise. If you're looking for current shows (Mandalorian, Ted Lasso, etc) then you're not gonna find them on FAST.

    But hey, if you want those reruns of shows like MASH, the original Hawaii Five-0 or the original Dallas, then FAST may be your thing.
     

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