Jonathan Tomkinson at Bradford olf Norwich City

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  1. thedukeofsoccer

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    He had a loan to League Two because he didn't get the chance w/ Norwich. So that's circular reasoning.

    Being a reserve captain, at a pretty young age like he was, means he was trusted on the field for their 2nd team. The next step is proving you can be trusted for their 1st team. That can only happen w/ opportunities. That's how a functional integration system should work. The guy got one appearance in the league, and he wasn't to be seen from again. A debut, which to my recollection wasn't even a disaster, isn't anything to draw from.

    There's a gripe here that he was sold Norwich as a development club, yet the only shots he's gotten at the top-level were meager, after succeeding for their youth/reserve team.
     
  2. The Irish Rover

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    No. It's that it's hard for a youngster break through in pro football (and basketball: and hockey: and rugby: and every other pro sport) and it's especially hard if you're trying to do it in the richest league in the world, where a club can go out and buy an experienced WC last-16 international for what that league considers to be chump change.

    His exact contemporary at Norwich, Ireland's Tony Springett, is also going out on loan, to promotion-chasing Derby county. Bali Mumba, who's an England youth international, a year older and for whom Norwich had to pay a decent transfer fee, is out on loan in League One after not quite making the breakthrough on loan in the Championship last season.

    As for having been reserve team captain (was that for the season or for a handful games?), there have been many, many of those who never made it to the first team at their club or any other club.

    It's a tough business and being American has eff all to do with it.
     
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  3. The Irish Rover

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    No pro player, or amateur player for that matter, ever gets PT from any coach. He takes it away from another player and fights off other players who want to take it away from him. Tomkinson's debut "wasn't even a disaster" is absolutely no support for your argument. At the very minimum, it needed to be excellent. That gives coaches the selection headaches that they dream of, because the more good players available, the better his chances of holding on to his job.

    Whether you like it or not, Norwich has had an excellent track record as a development club in recent years. That is an acknowledged fact in the English game, which means that Tomkinson either isn't good enough, yet, and needs a loan to bridge the gap from prospect to pro, or he is good enough, in which case entering beast mode at Stevenage is the best way of showing it, no?
     
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  5. BostonRed

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    Subbed in just before the half:

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    45+3' - After picking up a knock, Luther James-Wildin is forced off and replaced by Jonathan Tomkinson.

    1-0

    Leading 1-0 at the start of the 2nd.
     
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  8. BostonRed

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    Three changes at the break.

    Daryl Horgan, Jake Taylor & Jake Reeves OFF.

    Michael Bostwick, Jonathan Tomkinson & Jordan Roberts ON.

    1-0


    Came back to win 3-2.
     
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    Out in an early double sub shortly after going 2-0 down. Safe to say it wasn't an injury sub.

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    32' - Double sub...

    Jake Forster-Caskey & Jonathan Tomkinson OFF.

    Jake Taylor & Kane Smith ON.

    2-0

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    Played the final 15 minutes of a friendly:

    Norwich City: Krul, Stacey (Mumba 61), Duffy (Omobamidele 61), Gibson (Tomkinson 74), Giannoulis (McCallum 61), McLean (C) (Springett 74), Gibbs (Sørensen h-t), Núñez (Tzolis h-t), Hernández (Płacheta 61), Rowe (Idah 61), Sargent (Barnes h-t).
     
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    Going on loan to Bradford City in League Two:

     
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  25. Casper

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    Tomkinson played the whole match of a 4-0 0 SOG allowed win over the Liverpool children.
     

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