News: 2023 - Other teams thread

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  1. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Spot on.

    I know I told some friends who are FCC STMs and I am pretty sure I've said it here, that he would eventually leave them and probably on poor terms as he did with us. I hope they can make it a clean break, but I am sure they weren't considering bringing in a 10 this window, so they're prolly a little flat on the recruitment front.
     
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  3. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Stejskal and Tenorio report Martinez to Miami. Atlanta buys out his contract at half price and Miami signs him on a deal worth the other half. Avoids a DP designation.
     
  4. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah, MLS.

    I don't know if Martinez will ever be the same as he was pre knee injury, but he and Leo Campana could make quite the strike partnership.
     
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  5. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Sort of their take as well. The two big questions are his knee and how he is in the locker room, especially if he's not the "guy" getting significant minutes.
     
  6. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    So I am curious how they get out of their contractual obligations as they relate to the league. I realize he agreed to take half the money left on his deal to be a free agent, but it seems to me that money or the DP status associated with his contract should still be counted at full value vs the cap & cap related mechanisms like DP status, TAM or whatever.

    If you cut a guy in the NFL you're still stuck as it relates to the cap for all the money paid up until the point you cut the player which is prorated love the life of the deal. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, MLS contracts are almost 100% guaranteed. While not an issue in this case, you've got transfer fees also prorated across the life of the contract, although DP deals are different in how they relate to the cap. To be able to just get rid of one for a bunch of money seems to circumvent the salary cap style restrictions of a DP slot. That's a very premium thing in the economy of MLS. You can't seel or trade one like you might other assets like GAM, TAM, and international spots.

    I hope he does well and lights shit up, just not against us. I didn't care for him when he first came into the league. He came off in a very Diego Costa kind of way, but has shown himself to be good guy in the league. He's only had the one dust up for calling out teammates and the team for lack of effort, which I kinda get as a guy who works hard and wants to win.
     
  7. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    The Chicago Fire, an organization as inept as ours has even figured out how to make the system work for them. A $16-20M profit in a very short timeframe. One will not be able to emulate any time soon.

     
  8. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, they hit on Duran, but they whiffed *badly* on Jairo Torres, and the team is not very good.

    Also, it's not just as simple as getting lucky with a player and then selling him for a profit. It's *replacing* players that you sell, too. Just look at the Revs, who dropped 31 points last year as they started selling players and only really successfully replacing their goalkeeper. Or even DC, when they sold Paredes (and "sold" Arriola), had no real replacements lined up, and suffered for it.

    Making a profit is good and all, and it's admirable that it worked out for the Fire. But are they a better club for it?
     
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  9. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Look I get it, I think Carlos Bocanegra was optimistic at 1/3 international DP signings hitting and it got to even longer odds for younger players but, you've got to be in the game to have a chance of winning. We're not in the game. We're still running the back office like it's 2017. If this season pans out as well as Rooney hopes, in the playoffs and maybe we win a game. Where does that leave us in 2024 or 25? No room to add a DP unless we sell Taxi and 1-2 ys older. I am not sure there is a young player on this roster who has the potential to turn around and be Kevin Paredes in a year or two. We sure won't be an attractive destination with Wayne managing elsewhere and the same owners & FO.

    Its a game of look at all the flashy shit we're doing right now to distract from the fact that they've displayed little sense of a long term plan. Other than Paredes, I think most here think they squandered Neyman and maybe Yow's talent & value. Benteke was a 100% panic buy when the intended deal fell through or we wouldn't have sold one of the best crossers in the league. Even w/o Benteke on the horizon that deal didn't make a ton of sense.

    Sebi was talking about this on his & Herc's latest podcast, you hit on the same thing, and we were all howling about this last season, which is that you can sell players for a profit, but without players to replace their roles and much of their quality or you're not better for it, especially if you don't plow the money right back into the team. Taxi & Benteke were a little more than the $7M we got for Paredes in fees and Benteke came late and had less impact in 9 games than Paredes had in any 9 games he played for us in 2021. Benteke is carrying a big number for 2023. What's you're expectation for him to not be a bust? 10 goals? 15? And there's all the GAM we got for Arriola. I've never been a fan of trading quality for quantity which is the best you can say we got with the resources from those deals.
     
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  10. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FC Charlotte player Anton Walkes died this morning as a result of a boating accident down in Miami.

     
  11. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
  12. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Former DCU player Moses Nyeman started RSL's first preseason game today, as a non-roster invitee to camp.
     
  13. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    IIRC, the Guardian listed Nyeman as one of the top 100 prospects in the world a few years back. Never was a consistent starter for DCU, now apparently cut loose by a second division Belgian club and on trial in MLS. Sad, but a good demonstration of how most "prospects" don't reach the heights initially set for them by others.
     
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  14. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's quite the update. Do you know how he looked out there?
     
  15. Atouk

    Atouk BigSoccer Supporter

    DC United
    Apr 16, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    Queens Park Rangers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #15 Atouk, Jan 22, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2023
    Salt Lake co-owner has an ownership share in the Belgian club so it is possible he hasn't been formally cut loose but is trialing to see where he can be of most use. Not a sign he's doing much there, though, to your point.

    Ownership situation mentioned in this story when he transferred.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/dc-united-transfer-midfielder-moses-nyeman-to-belgium-s-sk-beveren
     
  16. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
    The Palouse
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No broadcast of any sort, and no detailed write-up either. Sorry.
     
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  17. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All good.

    He definitely has some skill, but he seems mighty small to be playing d-mid full time. But at least he's plenty young and hopefully he can figure things out somewhere.
     
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  18. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    My sense as well. ABMOD was very small as well, but his moniker indicates how tough (vicious) he was in the middle of the pitch. Nyeman always struck me as relying more on technique, which is always good, but he was too small and could get bodied out of the way too easily. Nyeman was here during the tenures of Olsen, Losada and Rooney and none of them really rated him.
     
  19. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  20. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Surplus to requirements and clearly not good...
     
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  21. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    So Apple dropped the list of another 31 announcers. The key outrage, ********ing Shep Messing is a "studio analyst". Not only will we have the "D" list announcing team for DCU games, but that douche will be offering "analysis."
     
  22. Section 107

    Section 107 Member+

    DCU
    United States
    Jul 18, 2018
    Well, maybe when we are not one of the d teams in the league we will rate better announcers. You know, like twellman......
     
  23. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  24. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Other than Ted Unkel, could they have done much worse? And yet there are people out there standing up for this guy in the face of criticism.
    Apple signing him ruined the one good thing remaining in this deal.
     
  25. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    #25 Q*bert Jones III, Feb 4, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 4, 2023
    Messing is absolute garbage on a personal and professional level.

    Unfortunately, he's not even the worst signing in this announcement. Apple also hired Ross Smith, the guy with the incomplete, vaguely-British accent who cheers on Portland from the press box. He's only useful insofar as he tests my reflexes as I lunge for the mute button.

    I hate to say it but you know who else is terrible? Lloyd Sam. It seems like his understanding of the game doesn't extend too far past "what helps my team is good, everything else is bad."
     

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