The DeSantis Thread (aka Florida Man 2)

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    Harassment of low-paid staff, overworked faculty, and well-meaning librarians = sticking it to the man.
     
  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    He'll do it out of spite.
     
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    I gave up on NYT political coverage, other than the occasional investigative report, during the Dubya years.
     
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    Cross reference with dems failure thread:



    It’s amazing how Florida is basically flopping to this guy’s mostly empty threats. On the bright side, I hope he gains enough momentum to take away the GQP nomination, and have a split with Trump in the general election.
     
  6. usscouse

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    For example, one question I was keen to answer with this poll is how many “Always Trumpers” would follow Trump if he lost the GOP primary and launched an independent bid for president.

    And according to our poll, that 28 percent of Republican primary voters already locked in for Trump say they’ll support him even if he ran as an independent in the general election.

    Twenty-eight percent!”
    **************

    Wouldn’t that be nice.
    trump will hold that thought over the heads of the GQP like a club. Scaring them to death with the thought of splitting all of their votes giving the election to the Dems.
     
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  7. Kazuma

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    How much of it is due to Florida being under GOP control for so long (To the point that someone as milquetoast as Rubio can win Senate) though?
     
  8. roadkit

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    I think the reason you see what is happening with DeSantis and states that are instituting trans bans, etc. is they see the writing on the wall and are trying to codify as much as possible before they are all voted out of office or machine-gunned against a brick wall.
     
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    Fair question, but this is a State party that only lost to DeSantis by half a percent or so in 2018, so it's hard to square that with how the State became much darker red even as Trump faded.
     
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    Especially knowing that right-wing courts will clip the wings of any subsequent Democratic governors and/or legislatures who try to undo the damage.
     
  11. superdave

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    I know this is a joke post, but back then, we had to take 2 PE credits. Varsity athletes could use their sport for one of them, but not both. I'm guessing the basketball coaches checked the players' schedules and said, hey, Michael, let's not take a physically demanding sport that may lead to injury as your PE.

    My 2nd PE was bowling. Maybe Michael's was too.
    The New York Times' political coverage is anti-journalism, in that you know less after reading it than you did before.
     
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  12. Kazuma

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    The reason I ask this is because this is a state that has the likes of Rubio, Rick Scott, and Gaetz in office. Candidates that elsewhere, wouldn't even be elected if there was a modicum of a strong Dem party. And the 2018 result is what I see as a general indication as to how weak a candidate DeSantis is. Florda's Dem candidate was not exactly great in any sense of the word.

    But Florida's been red for a long time. Look at their state government and how long it's been under GOP majority. And given that plenty of folks are moving from elsewhere, I won't be surprised if it remains GOP for a while.
     
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    The Bulwark is arguing that, more or less, there is no real left/right within the GOP. It is Trump ideology and non-Trump ideology. They phrased it as "conservative" is what Trump says is "conservative," which we know is not really conservative. But it really amounts to the GOP not having any stable position in which they can argue, other than White Christian Heterosexual Supremacy. And that is not something which is easy to base policy around.
     
  14. soccernutter

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    @superdave Isn't that roughly the number. IIRC, you had 27% support for Nixon post Watergate, or something like that (I need to save that link).
     
  15. bigredfutbol

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    All true, but IIRC the state Dems were a competitive minority until very recently. They seem to have folded their tent a little bit (not the only red state party to do so, to be sure).

    Rubio I kinda get--for low information voters, he can plausibly sell himself as a "reasonable" conservative. Gaetz? I don't know enough about his district, but there are plenty of staunchly GOP districts outside Florida that keep reelecting cretins like MTG and Boebert so I'm not sure that's a Florida problem per se.

    DeSantis and Scott, on the other hand--yeah, it's hard to understand how voters aren't appalled by what they've done there. Scott's history of fraud and his open bragging about what he wants to raise taxes while cutting Social Security and Medicare should have ended his career. Instead, here we are. And DeSantis' approval rating is a real indictment of the voters. They seem to want thuggish bullies in charge.
     
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  16. xtomx

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    Ron DeSantis is doing this precise thing.

    His "anti-Woke" statute.
    His "Don't Say Gay" statute
    His going after education, especially History (the AP African American Studies pilot in particular).
    His carving up the judiciary in Florida.

    He is basing his entire policy around White Christian Heterosexual Supremacy, with him as the Pontifus Maximus of the Florida World Church of the Creater.

    (World Church of the Creator was the racist, white supremacist organization run by Matthew Hale).
     
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    Rubio was the rising star of the party in '15
     
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    Yup. Seems like a hundred years ago.
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    I agree but it is kind of being forgotten that Trump won by positioning as a more moderate Republican in '16. His promise of great healthcare and spending on infrastructure was supposedly a great triangulation. he was supposedly moderate on abortion etc etc
     
  20. Kazuma

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    That might have been true in the late 90s. I took a look at election results from the last decade and it's not exactly great.

    Rubio was seen as a rising star in 2015 even though he is the definition of milquetoast. Gaetz's family has been in politics for generations. And there's a difference between districts and states. Florida has 20 US GOP Reps to Dems 8. Georgia and Colorado are more evenly split amongst US Reps. My point is the Florida GOP has their crap together. It's the only state that was anywhere near a red wave.

    Scott has name recognition being a former governor and his plan is rather new. DeSantis's popularity is up there due to his Covid views. Throw in a bunch of people who are moving there, who want GOP policies, and there we are.
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    I started listening to the Longwell podcast

    They are saying the republicans voters are approximately split

    10% Never Trump
    30% Always Trump
    60% Maybe Trump

    It is the Maybe Trump group who would prefer him not to run, and want an alternate candidate who can win

    Interestingly they still really like Trump, but they are aware too many other people don't like him.
     
  22. Q*bert Jones III

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    You've said this a few times but I don't remember it like that at all.
     
  23. rslfanboy

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    It was going well for him until:


    But Trump did it better:


    Even more funny, when you consider:
     
  24. Sounders78

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    In the article I posted earlier, his university education policies go well beyond what you wrote. Consider the following:

    Fire all the liberal professors and get rid of any subject matter and equity endeavors that don't align with white nationalists in public universities/colleges. Basically, he's trying to turn public institutions of higher education into private white evangelical colleges. It's Liberty University for all!
     
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  25. Dr. Wankler

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    Those elite bastards just need to suck it up.
     
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