Newbs (or Newb-ish) guys you'd like to see in March?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by RalleeMonkey, Jan 29, 2023.

  1. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
  2. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Absolutely. Getting the A team a cycle's worth of experience together that they rarely had last cycle is part of the strategy of this cycle. But we are in the early "growth-oriented" phase of the cycle, where it pays more to look at potential options. I think Eastwood said it well in expressing that, apart from January camps, and maybe one of the three FIFA windows in this fall that might or might not be used as more of a B camp, depending on the opponents, that until the Copa America every roster should be somewhere between an A- roster and a B+ roster, where you have some (but not necessarily all) of the roster core called up and starting, as well as some guys who are assumed part of the 23/26 but don't normally start, and some outsiders worth taking a look at (ie January graduates, Booth, etc.).

    While we won't completely stop looking for new options, I expect the second half of the cycle to focus more solidly on the A team--the core and their primary support players.
     
  3. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well if Gregg is shadowing managing and Hudson is hell bent on managing to "the System" you never know.

    Should the US boat race those teams? Absolutely. Do I think that the US will make things difficult for themselves? Absolutely.
     
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  4. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    To my eye, our second game against Colombia did not look very much like a Berhalter-managed game. The Serbia game largely did, but not the other one.
     
  5. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    Because European-based games are most convenient for most of the first-choice team, the UEFA Nations League screws this up for us, but I believe there are still a few teams with byes that we might be able to schedule. Or maybe a team like Brazil in Brazil? Or Morocco in Morocco? I don't know how far we'll want to travel.
     
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  6. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    To me, it's really difficult to create a 23 man roster that includes an A level starting 11, and also includes enough new guys that I want to bleed in. Here's my crack at it.

    There are only 3 AW's because I'd like to get a look at Paredes and/or Dest in that position, if the opportunity arises. I've got a problem, in that I think both Gio and Ale Z are 8/10's. Had to put one of them at wing, I put Ale there b/c I really want to see Gio in the middle.

    I don't have a 2nd 6. Not very realistic, but I'd fill in Wes there if TA couldn't go, or couldn't go 90.

    (I just scrolled back and saw that I don't think that I called in anyone that wasn't in X-man's "30 for camp." That's good.)

    My big omissions are Puli (let him rest/recover) K. Acosta (He's valuable as a back up 6, but Wes could fill in there if necessary) LDLT (he's on the rise, but I want to look for 8/10s with more offensive bite. I'm sure LDLT will still be in the mix, just want to look at other guys this camp)

    GOALKEEPERS : Ethan Horvath, Matt Turner,

    Gaga

    central DEFENDERS : Cameron Carter-Vickers, Tim Ream ,

    Chris Richards, Austin Trusty

    Fullbacks: Sergiño Dest, Antonee Robinson , Joe Scally,

    Kevin Paredes

    6: Tyler Adams

    8/10: Weston McKennie , Yunus Musah, Gio Reyna

    Djordje Miha, Taylor Booth

    Attacking Wingers: Brenden Aaronson , Tim Weah,

    Ale Zendejas

    FORWARDS: Josh Sargent (could be supplanted)

    Ricardo Pepi, In form forward
     
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  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There’s a new Nations League this fall that will determine it. The March games won’t count for Copa America.

    The explanation from CONCACAF is that these games are left over Nations League from last cycle, which was delayed because of COVID. I think the original idea was we would have 2019/2020, 2021/2022, 2023/2024, and 2025/2026. COVID obviously threw that off.
     
  8. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, for one thing, I’m liking his 1970s/1980s heavy metal rocker hairdo. He’s definitely got that going for him. I approve.
     
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  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    whoa, whoa, whoa...his hair was like one of the cousins on the dukes of hazard at best. possibly janet from threes company...
     
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  10. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    I think the last time I saw that haircut was 1983.
     
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  11. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He does seem to be cycling through all the bad 70 / 80's haircuts. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. I do know it took me a few glimpses of him to figure out who he was he looked so different than last year.
     
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  12. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could see a guy in MLS sort of buried on the depth chart but highly thought of for the future. Not sure though if a guy like that would be wanted by the US for both or either games.
     
  13. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It also matters how teams play us. We do better as underdogs where the other team has the pressure of trying to score off of our semi bunker than we we are trying to break down weaker teams and their bunker or semi bunker. It's why bad teams give the Barcelona's of the world occasional trouble.
     
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  14. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Yes, he should always get jersey number 11
     
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  15. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's probably more likely to be someone like Cannon in 2021. In a not great club situation and trying to move, so his club was happy to have him at the Gold Cup and in the shop window. Ironically he didn't end up moving, but he ended up not playing for awhile after that tournament.

    If I were an MLS team I'd tell US Soccer they can have a player for either the U20 World Cup or the Gold Cup, but not both. I guess one exception would be if someone is transferring in the summer window. But the new club might want the player for all of preseason.
     
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  16. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For some reason there always seems to be one decent player in a weird limbo situation where playing both keeps them in shape and in view.
     
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  17. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    At this point the significant veterans have been identified and we have a settled starter at most spots and good subs at about half of them. Experimentation should measured out wisely.
     
  18. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    There's four buckets to me:
    1. People who have made an unassailable case for inclusion
    2. More fringy players at positions of need
    3. Elite youngsters who are not quite ready but you want them in for early integration or recruiting
    4. Warm Bodies if we're low on A team players
    I don't think there's really anyone in bucket 1 or 3, except if for some insane reason Balogun wanted to come (and he'd probably be in both buckets).

    Which means that we should bring in guys specifically targeted at positions of need, from my point of view. And then fill in where people are hurt or want/need a break.
     
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  19. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Aside from the 9 it's all about quality backups. If some of them improve to challenge for the starting spot even better.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I doubt Berhalter is involved at all. Hudson was an assistant for Berhalter. As was BJ Callahan. Varas was also picked to run the U20s and run a similar system. It's not all surprising they'd try to run a similar system in a shortened January camp window. It's one they helped put together in the first place. I think it's more not wanting to reinvent the wheel more than anything else.
     
  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I mean, its not like there's a "camp" prior to these Nations League games.
    Hudson/Varas will have had zero time with the Euro players to install a new system.
    Of course they're going to continue a lot of what Berhalter was doing!

    You don't get together for a road game in CONCACAF and say.........."hey its our first game together. let's play a 3-5-2."
     
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  22. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    If Tolkin can stay off the cocaine he'll be fine.. oh dammit

    [​IMG]
     
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  23. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless, of course, you're someone like Klinsmann, who tried to outsmart opponents by springing a formation change on his own players at the last minute, with... predictable results.
     
  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Klinsmann thought making players uncomfortable led to them creating their own solutions. Which sounds good in theory.

    So he'd put Mix Diskerud at the #6 and Michael Bradley at the #10............and told them to figure it out. Thought they'd learn from that.

    I love Philip Lahm's takedown of Klinsmann in his autobiography. In Germany, Klinsmann is basically a joke at this point.

    BUt anyway. In terms of this March Nations League window, we will presumably continue with similar tactics that we did under Berhalter. The interesting part is player selection.
     
  25. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm OK with keeping most of the tactics. It's just in and near the box that something better needs to happen. More chances and more shots. Sure wouldn't hurt to add real threats on free kicks too. Not only would it add goals but keep fouls down near the box since right now there is no punishment for fouling our players.
     

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