2022-23 Hot Seat

Discussion in 'Women's College' started by Collegewhispers, May 18, 2022.

  1. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    Any idea who the candidates are for Indiana state?
     
  2. SmallSchoolGaffer

    May 24, 2021
    I don’t know the “finalists” or if they’ve gotten there, but I know a few people that applied/were interested from here in the Midwest—from d2 coaches to d1 assistants and a d1 head. I do know they started interviews in the last week, though. Sorry that’s all the info I have. The assistant is still on staff and running things—could be a factor in the hiring process but I don’t know. The former HC was dismissed under abuse allegations with a year left on her deal, so it wouldn’t make much sense to promote the assistant, though it’s happened elsewhere.
     
  3. Sledhead

    Sledhead Member

    Atalanta
    United States
    Jul 14, 2019
    Pretty sure the AD originally told the team that they would not be promoting the AC, and that he will stay through the hiring process, and it will be up to the new HC if he stays on staff for the long term.
     
  4. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Their average rank since 2007 is 260. As is somewhat typical for teams from mid-country upper half states, the Massey and Improved ARPI ranks indicate the RPI slightly underrates them, having them in the 245 to 250 range on average.
     
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  5. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OPEN:
    Alabama A&M (12/2)
    Indiana State (12/2)
    Davidson (12/15)
    Eastern Illinois (12/16)
    Northwestern State (1/4)
    Alcorn State (1/10)


    FILLED:
    Delaware - Kelly Lawrence (Penn State assistant; 10/24-11/14)
    Tulsa - Jim Rhein (Tulsa interim for 2 years!)
    Nevada - Vanessa Valentine (Cal assistant;11/7-11/22)
    South Carolina State - Liz-Amanda Brown (interim; 9/24-12/6)
    Chicago State - Aulani Fernandez (interim; 7/1-12/6)
    Cincinnati - Erica Demers (UAB head; 11/14-12/7)
    Northern Arizona - Alan Berrios (NAU associate head; 10/7 - admin leave; 11/18-12/7)
    UTEP - Gibbs Keeton (Texas Tech associate head; 11/1-12/7)
    Jacksonville State - Sean Fraser (Louisiana Monroe head; 10/24-12/7)
    UMBC - Rick Stainton (Georgetown assistant; 10/17-12/14)
    Richmond - Adam Denton (Davidson head; 10/27-12/15)
    Dartmouth - Taylor Schram (Boston College assistant; 11/6-12/15)
    Toledo - Mark Batman (Ohio Northern head - 10/28-12/19)
    Coastal Carolina - Jo Chubb (Arizona State assistant; 10/28-12/20)
    Incarnate Word - Jake Plant (Eastern Illinois head; 8/1-12/20)
    Abilene Christian - Stephen Salas (Hardin-Simmons associate head; 10/31-12/20)
    Belmont - Kelsey Fenix (Trevecca Nazarene head; 11/11-12/22)
    Troy - Stuart Gore (Northwestern State head; 10/31-1/4)
    St. Bonaventure - Donny George (Niagara assistant; 11/1-1/5)
    Louisiana Monroe - Will Roberts (ULM Assistant, 11/22- 1/12)
    MVSU - Kayleigh Lambrechts (John Melvin head; 12/15-1-13)
    Marist - Nicole Pacapelli (Binghamton assistant; 12/2-1/17)
    UAB - Lisa Mann (West Virginia State head; 12/7-1/18)


    Bumping this back to the top. Alabama A&M and Indiana State are now on the bad side of the hiring timeline, hitting 2 months to get someone in place. Davidson and Eastern Illinois now over 1.5 months in the process.

    Shameful really. These things never happen in football or basketball. Probably not baseball or volleyball either. It's really not that hard to get done.
     
  6. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ThePonchat, I see you have ULM as filled by Will Roberts. They still are not listing him as head coach on their website. Is there a source for the hire, or do you have inside info? (I assume you are right, I just am wondering why they have not changed the website.)
     
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  7. supercell

    supercell New Member

    Aug 19, 2021
    Not sure that's fair really. Some of these schools involve the players in the interview process. In most cases, those players were not on campus for about a month over the holiday break.
     
  8. SuperSoccer1978

    Barcelona
    Nov 24, 2011
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Hearing from sources that Northwestern State is between two d2 head coaches.
     
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  9. SmallSchoolGaffer

    May 24, 2021
    another thing not done in football/basketball/baseball searches.
     
  10. supercell

    supercell New Member

    Aug 19, 2021
    But this is not football/basketball/baseball. One size does not fit all, particularly for the mid-major spots that are still vacant.
     
  11. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is fair. It’s not that hard.

    Cutting down résumés is easy. Interviewing the top 5-10 first is easy.

    Schools/admin/committees drag their feet way too much in soccer hires (probably others can be included, but I don’t follow them as closely).

    If leadership wants to get it done quicker, they can. Want to talk fair? Is it fair for any of the players to not have a head coach for 1-2+ months? That’s not fair.
     
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  12. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Honestly, I think that was mentioned from someone else. I didn’t really go through with looking to verify, although I did know he was a top candidate. I was traveling when initially posted and wasn’t as diligent as I normally try to be.
     
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  13. Sledhead

    Sledhead Member

    Atalanta
    United States
    Jul 14, 2019
    ISU didn't post the job until January. I agree it's taking too long and valuable recruiting time is being missed, but I think the AD would argue that interviewing their first pass at a list of their top candidates 1 month after posting the position is pretty good.
     
  14. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Waiting a month to post isn’t exactly showing great diligence in hiring.

    That said…most of these hires aren’t blind hires getting the job due to sending their résumés in on NCAA.org.
     
  15. ilikecollegesoccer

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 1, 2022
    You have to keep in mind the university is mostly frozen in late November and December. Lots of time off for holidays, so HR takes a VERY long time at these non power 5 schools
     
  16. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do keep this in mind.

    It's not like I haven't hired (or been hired) in a university before. I know exactly what goes on. I know exactly the importance level soccer (and other sports) are in with admin.

    Funny that these same non P5 schools can make hires in football, basketball, baseball, etc. in a timely manner during holidays, breaks, etc. Strange...
     
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  17. HouseofCards

    HouseofCards Member

    Nov 26, 2012
    If they are still paying the previous HC, that might play into the slow timeline as well. For better or worse, schools don't want to double pay for women's soccer coaches, and I don't know if they were able to get rid of JH for cause (probably not since they let her resign).
     
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  18. ThePonchat

    ThePonchat Member+

    #ProRelForUSA
    United States
    Jan 10, 2013
    I've Been Everywhere Man
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This isn't necessarily limited to Indiana State. It's all too common, in all of college divisions.

    I get it, they look to save a month's salary and benefits. Doesn't make it any more right or less lousy. There's rosters of kids who deserve better. We all know most are paying enough anyway. No one signs up to be mentor/leader-less for months at a time. Especially considering how much each kid puts into it as well.

    And, we wonder why soccer continues to lag behind at the college level. Here is yet another example.
     
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  19. Collegewhispers

    Collegewhispers Member+

    Oct 27, 2011
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Totally agree. Admins save $ by taking it slow is most hires for womens soccer. With it not being a sport with a massive fan base there is no public demand for them to get this done quickly like football or basketball, and as you’ve pointed out while admins will say they “care about the student athlete experience” they really aren’t that bothered if they inconvenience womens soccer players for a few months if they can save some cash.
     
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  20. oneofnine

    oneofnine Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    Ha, the "student-athlete experience", admins use that line all the time as it suits them. They hire and fire coaches and justify other decisions because they care so much about the "Student-athlete-experience".........unless of course it costs money, then, ummm, never mind.
     
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  21. SpeakeroftheHouse

    PSG
    Italy
    Nov 2, 2021
    Except how much money are they really saving at a mid major by slow rolling a hire? $6,000-$10,000? I think the common theme at most places isn’t saving money. It’s incompetence.
     
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  22. oneofnine

    oneofnine Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    I agree, it can be incompetence sometimes. I think, as mentioned, the majority of the times it isn't a priority. And I do think saving money could be a factor at a few schools. For about 5 years I had an operating budget of around $60,000.......but the athletic director said I had to fundraise $10,000 of it....ha. I told him,"why don't you just say I have an operating budget of 1 million, I just have to fundraise $950,000 of it". So maybe for some schools $6,000-10,000 IS a big deal. It shouldn't be more important than the student-athletes, but I defer to my previous post on that issue.
     
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  23. Eddie K

    Eddie K Member+

    May 5, 2007
    About hiring young coaches with no experience, or,
    good players don't always make good coaches, or,
    the AD ranking 'pedigree' over leadership experience...

    Not sure how much this says about her as a player and person or about the value of the position... she graduated 7 weeks ago and will still will be playing internationally.....not our sport but very interesting.
    (how funny would it be if UNC skipped over all those UNC alums and gives the job to a just graduated player when AD retires??)

    https://goheels.com/news/2023/1/31/legend-replacing-legend-matson-named-field-hockey-head-coach.aspx
     
  24. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regarding her predecessor:

    Shelton became the program's head coach in 1981 at the age of 23 and built a dynasty, leading Carolina to 10 NCAA Championships and 25 Atlantic Coast Conference Championships, both more than any other school.
    North Carolina appears to have some success hiring coaches with no prior head coaching experience with women.
     
  25. Enzo the Prince

    Sep 9, 2007
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Anson's not retiring imo. He dies on the job twenty years from now, still chasing that first title since 2012, having been to 16 of the last 20 College Cups.
     

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