Roster 2023

Discussion in 'Houston Dynamo' started by quiznatodd_bidness, Sep 16, 2022.

  1. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #551 juvechelsea, Jan 31, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2023
    the part i think you folks don't get is "elis" and "gitau." that if you don't seem to be trying or moving at above a glacial pace, the youthful talent elements you see as foundational and the future -- while you slowly build and in the case of raines slowly integrate -- have no obligation to stick around and see. the future can leave. at which point this is back f*cked. not a fan, but adam lundkvist, so to speak, will turn in his trade demand. so some of you seem to assume oh, ok, sebas, raines, etc. in 3 years, plus some new ones.....they may be sick of losing in a year or two. the way we were able to keep reloading before was who wants to leave a winner. and so davis and clark might join the dynasty team as the long term foundation, and even holden and cameron give it a good 5 years or so.

    i think this needs a manhattan project style reboot where they dump money into the team that will make 2022 look like nothing. that's what 2016-18 required.

    funny thing is pat noted the gap to the playoffs and was like at this pace it'll take 6 years and that's unacceptable and then people drink some hard kool aid and are like 6 pts a season is enough now. at that pace, like i said, 2-3 years. bears noting the league may undergo expansion at which point that's 1-3 more teams to fend off.

    and if they ever split this MLS1/2 you know which half this is headed, and likely stuck there.
     
  2. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #552 juvechelsea, Jan 31, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2023
    i assume people think i am full of hot air but i am usually right on this team, and on other matters, well, i got sick of how the texans did, and how the owners handled themselves, stopped watching last season, haven't watched in 2 years, watched another team this year, they made the playoffs, and they act like they are trying. i will probably not come back to the texans. i will do exactly what i have said i will do. the only reason i am around is years of goodwill and memories. they do not seem interested in team traditions, colors, etc., but neither winning. if they aren't trying to preserve the spirit of something, or really to win, what am i around for? exactly. and for all the sh*t talk 6 years of no playoffs and a few before that one-off, i am being more than patient. this has turned into one of the consistently weakest franchises in the league and it's the consistent part that chafes. i could understand it's not always 2006 but it's not even 2008. it's 2010 on neverending loop.

    i am not going to root for another MLS but their effort level is unacceptable and this is professional sports with a new pay-your-way viewing concept. and i cannot sort out how much is segal and how much is pat but that's inside baseball and their problem. we look at inside baseball to understand WHY it happens as it does. but when we suck this bad this long i don't care about fingerpointing and knowing what's in the black box. i just want to see 7th, 8th, whatever the line is, spit out of the box end of the season. the rest is noise.

    that being said, if i indulge the inside baseball instead of focus on the all important roster, nothing about the way pat talks screams this is the year. they have a personnel plan and will follow it hell or high water. that plan appears to involve young player signings, prospects, not a focused playoff drive a la kinnear. and i have favored a youth movement, but that doesn't seem to be a consistent focus, they rarely play, and their record on identifying young talent is charitably hit and miss (more miss). i don't get what the endgame is or the timeframe involved. i have said 2-3 years but that's this on autopilot and assuming no key player losses. as i said in the other post, i am not sure a team this bad can assume it will keep all its foundational or future pieces that long, if it's not already successful to some degree.
     
  3. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
    I’m just in awe that someone accused Westside Cosmo of drinking Dynamo kool-aid.
     
  4. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    and for all the blogger's sh*t talking about who's been to what, i was at the opener, i was at the first clincher, i was at the first playoff games. i was at one of the last playoff games (montreal) in 2013 or so, before the 2017 run. i watched a game in 2020 right before the pandemic. (and technically they probably owe me some soccer on my last plan but i haven't bothered).

    i have not been absent. i resent that bs. i like watching cool weather evening soccer live. we rarely hang around long enough into the fall to offer that anymore.

    my question is where were you? what big games have you attended. exactly. you used to be a FCD fan. we ain't done sh*t with you watching. you show up anyway. do you want a medal for it? pretty good at sh*t talking the old guard who were there when they tried which strikes me kind of counter productive.
     
  5. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that’s a pretty impressive feat, nothing I’d ever thought I’d hear on this board. Just trying to objective now qualifies as “drinking the Kool-Aid”
     
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  6. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    I've actually never been a FC Dallas fan. I don't give up on my teams, so if I was ever a fan I'd still be one. I watched a couple of games before the Dynamo ever existed, and liked The Dallas Burn soo much (sarcasm) I stopped watching MLS for over a decade.

    Just saying, you're on here saying you won't pay to watch games, you've said you won't go to games, if you don't watch games, how are you a fan? I'm pretty sure that's part of the requirement.

    Congrats on going to the big games. Maybe you're not "the old guard", maybe you're just a band wagon fan?
     
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  7. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's got an OptaJack chip with transmitter built into his brain which allows him to analyze the game without actually seeing it
     
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  8. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    hey dumbf*ck i watched the games last season. and for 15-odd seasons before that. the team finished 9th 10th 12th 13th 13th the past 5 seasons. you weren't happy. i am not confused how bad this is or over-harsh. you drank some kool aid and did a 180 based on, what, signing some kid from the french second division no one ever heard of. not my problem you have joined up with the folks who regularly overestimate HH and everyone else we sign.

    to be fair to me, i think the kid's decent. but he has to be awesome in the context of how little else has been done. i don't think people realize that when you dump DQ and fafa then even "solid" isn't good enough. he basically needs to be DP level. 10 goals 10 assists type stuff.

    this doesn't sound like you so i think you see this as some sort of opportunity to shove me out. i don't care if you're my pal or want me out, either way. kind of giggle inducing suggesting i will be commenting if i am not watching. a break is a break. maybe you want that commitment to lord over me. you don't need it. won't bother means won't bother. this is not big soccer driven. this is do i bother with the dynamo driven. big soccer is a subdivision of that. i don't discuss the texans much if i don't follow them anymore. it naturally follows.

    they are running out of time to sign people to keep my interest for this season.
     
  9. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    that is not what your blog said. or at least used to say.

    you're a f*cking idiot if you call someone who's been here since day 1 bandwagon.

    carpetbagger.

    i addressed the other half with westie.
     
  10. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #561 juvechelsea, Jan 31, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2023
    ripping on people for being skeptical about a consistently 13th place team is drinking the fruit punch. you would have acted the same way as recently as last season. you get precisely where i am coming from. i don't know what changed.

    they signed a LB who can't play yet. signed a RB who might be alright. signed a very average DM. signed a couple attacking wild cards from random leagues or second divisions with highly variable production. extended steres. the keeper is old. the backfield is short on men. the midfield is a joke. they have an above average 9 who however requires very specific service.

    so far we have added one new back we can field opening day -- to fix a 56 GA defense -- and the x factor is these attacking signings but i don't think you get they need to be baby elises for this to be even halfway competitive.
     
  11. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    what I actually said:

    I never stopped going to soccer games. I went to as many guys and girls soccer games as I could in high school, as it wasn't until spring of my Senior year in 1996 when MLS started. I watched the first FC Dallas game on a fuzzy old television I had in my bedroom, on a UHF channel with rabbit ears (How many of us remember what UHF was?).


    “I didn't move to Houston until 2009 and didn't really follow MLS at all at the time. To be honest, I tried to get into it the first couple of years when it was in it's inception, and thought it was.....well......kinda boring. FC Dallas didn't have any players I knew, and I just couldn't get into it. In 2013 I got married, she had two kids, and her brother was a youth soccer coach in Germany. I started following Eintracht and International Soccer so we would have something to talk about, and just really fell in love with it.”

    It’s ok to speak about your fandom in past-tense, sense we all know anyway. Just saying.
     
  12. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
    I mean, you can just leave now. What do you realistically expect the Dynamo to do that can sway your opinion?
     
  13. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    It wouldn't matter if they were in first, they would still be a trash organization, Pat Onstad would be a terrible GM, he'd hate the coach and all the players. Juve is an expert in soccer because his JV team won a district championship in 1983, and his club team won the 5th grade Padadena Invitational B Bracket in 1975.
     
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  14. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey, you said you weren't paying to watch this season on Apple TV, right? I laughed pretty hard at the claim of a 180 based on a signing a French second division player
     
  15. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    to be crystal f*cking clear for the blogger and his new found friend, when you are an ORIGINAL you are the ********ing wagon. i was there opening day before we had a clue what we had. i didn't climb on some time after. you did. the difference is i know what this stands for and has been. you don't have a f*cking clue. not sure what underlying soul you're rooting for since you seem to try and make a positive out of the misery period which far as i am concerned is a split with the ethos of most of the first decade.

    so you don't get to lecture me what MY team is about because you came later after TRYING OUT DALLAS. you don't get to pretend that me having standards related to how this team used to operate is bandwagon. f*ck precisely all the way off with that sh*t.

    you're the ones ruining this thing in concert with the current owner and brass, and if this continues they will be playing to family and friends before they are moved to sacramento or whatever. let's be real, our real estate magnate is not from here and seems disinterested in the quality of the product here. that makes this just another real estate asset he can flip.

    i have every right to demand some quality standards when every other team in the state is competitive. when we can't make the playoffs for most of a decade in a league where about half the teams do. this is an insult to the originals.

    and to be f*cking clear, show some respect to the originals or i don't know what the f*ck you're claiming fandom to.
     
  16. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    what other basis is there for your 180? the ACL LB jogging on another field not even ready to play, whose position we are now re-shopping? the DM surplus to crew's now-morris-led MF? extending the iffy steres? escobar? franco and bassi?

    far as i am concerned people are double booking bassi. you think he can play CAM and RF. but when you field a team game day he fills only one slot. if he's a MF it's at the expense of one of coco HH artur (which i am fine with) and we net just one new wing when getting sebas help was a supposed point of emphasis. if he's a wing we run out HH coco artur as a very bad MF, we set up last year's scenario of struggling to score, and the whole offense is in the hands of the frontline. i think we needed 3 attackers minimum -- ideally more, you know, subs -- and signed 2. those 2 aren't exactly beckham or giovinco, and neither had a good season last year, which is why they were available. so we did some limited effort after acknowledging the 9 needed service to work. that to me bespeaks how we seem to know what needs fixing but not do it well.

    conversely, i wouldn't mind if we fixed the defense but we have like 5 healthy backs signed and our big 6 signing was the mediocre artur. our LB signing is seemingly not rehabbed yet which is an idiotic way to run a railroad. this then sets up a scenario where the backline is so emptied a CB we got on loan to HD2 can seemingly use our body shortage as leverage, when he realizes that he almost has to play if he signs a HD1 contract. because pat never filled all the holes he made. i encouraged making the team swiss cheese but also assumed we'd get to work on it. any idiot can swing a sledgehammer though to be fair we weren't even doing that enough recent years.

    but then if we signed an ACL LB or bought the purchase option on an HD2 prospect who realized he could leverage his HD1 deal, this is the same team that ran out gitau without a contract. or clearly went over on international slots last summer and had to release pasher when he wasn't even our worst winger. y'all presume competence to pat i just don't. i don't think this is well run at all. not a competitive veteran team. not a youth movement in progress. not a playoff first team. not a decent academy. it's a mess.
     
  17. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    btw the EZ PZ solution to micael is as follows. hey kid we are willing to buy your purchase option from mineiro and you will then sign an HD1 deal for reserve money. those are our terms. we are doing you a favor elevating you to HD1 and reserve money is more than your HD2 deal we owe you. if you don't accept the reserve money we ship your tookus back to brazil and decline the option. find someone else. savvy?

    this is like GM 101. akin to doing the loan in the first place. you do not exercise the option and pay a half million without sorting the fact his contract is with the wrong team. basic competence. nor do you give the player leverage by separating loan deal from personal terms, or allowing this to drag out beyond the early silly season where it becomes too obvious what the overall depth and roster situation looks like at any position for our team. in december everyone knows bodies are going in and out and the counts are not final. so no one can use your emptied backline slots as leverage. but at this point, the roster tells on pat to the agents he calls.
     
  18. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #569 juvechelsea, Feb 1, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2023
    they said "resources" which i think modifies what i am supposed to "realistically expect," no? like that wasn't trying to signal -- or perhaps mislead -- me that we would bust these next few windows wide open, cut who we had to cut, no holds barred, until this was fixed? cause what i see is a team barely willing to spend at all now that fubo cash is gone. we have had this game run on us more than once by new owners. mama didn't raise no fool. i don't feel the cash urgency. i don't feel the team urgency. they simply do not sufficiently give a f*ck on a non-geological timescale to keep me passionate -- and now willing to pay $$$ to watch.

    and since people pretend it's all critique, it's an emotional attachment. i have been very patient. i give a year. i give a year. quit pretending there isn't loyalty and faith to that. they owe me something, at least occasionally, in return. merely offering "pro soccer in houston" in exchange for cash payment is insufficient.

    the funny part is when the owner says "playoffs" and says "resources" he is validating precisely the standards i ask. you then try and dismiss me. wtf. i am merely saying what a jillion dynamo fans think. if he says this is what the fans want and i will give it how the f*ck am i being unreasonable? i am merely holding him to what he promised us. promised me along with them. he knew the fans wanted a level of effort and said he'd give it. implies not giving that effort is not taking the fans seriously and they will walk. i am merely following that broader promise and principle down to the personal level. i feel like i am not getting back what i put in -- even when it's eyeballs they turn into broadcast cash btw -- i feel fibbed to.
     
  19. quiznatodd_bidness

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Apr 14, 2020
    LMAO newer fans don’t owe you a damn thing just because you went to games before they did, and I’m saying this as someone who’s followed the team since ‘07. The line “you're the ones ruining this thing in concert with the current owner and brass” is hilarious as well. I didn’t realize Ted and Pat were running the team from 2014 to 2021 wearing Garbiel Brener and Matt Jordan masks. You also keep coming back to the idea that the Dynamo have no excuse for not turning things around from 21 to 22 compared to Austin & Dallas while completely ignoring the context prior to 2021. Dallas since 2014 has qualified for the playoffs 7 times, won a shield and an open cup. They have a winning culture there (at least compared to the Dynamo). Austin by not existing prior to 2021 also comes out ahead of the Dynamo in terms of ground to build a winner off of.

    I’m not going to go out here and claim that Ted & Pat are god’s gift to soccer, but looking at the state that Brener left this club in thinking that it’s about the same as any other MLS club is ridiculous.
     
  20. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    btw at roughly the time our colleague was moving to town or even considering watching MLS we used to fill BBVA. sold out. the attendance is down roughly 1/3 to 1/4 from that point. quit pretending i am an isolated crank. there are about 6k people like me in the metaphor. in case johnny come lately needs reminding this once drew 21-22k AVERAGE.

    our colleague has repeatedly blamed the fans for this but there has been a steady deterioration in the product leading to the current could give a f*ck less product. the fans' walk has actually lagged that drop which IMO reflects people trying hard to indulge them and trust it turns around. trust has worn thin.
     
  21. Varus

    Varus Member

    Feb 5, 2015
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    No offense to you Brian, but do you have to engage with Juve like this? The quality of conversation nosedives.

    You attack Juve then everyone else piles onto him and he predictably blows his top. Then there's pages worth of drivel where you and he (and the peanut gallery) accuse each other of not being "Real" fans.
     
  22. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I only see one side of this, it significantly improves my forum experience. I'm pretty sure I know what Juve is posting based on the responses.
     
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  23. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    I apologize and will be better, but I’d just like to point out that I was absent for three months and came back to pages full of drivel and people being attacked without my assistance.
     
  24. Westside Cosmo

    Westside Cosmo Member+

    Oct 4, 2007
    H-Town
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jeez, I hate quotes like this because it’s like he’s already thinking about the bailout move. I don’t think at his age he’s got another top tier Euro run left in him but who knows

    “For his part, Herrera said he's "not opposed to returning to Europe" one day. But he's also relishing the spotlight in Houston and what this career shift has afforded him and his family.

    "Personally, you have to learn to deal with critics," Herrera said. " … If people criticize you it’s because they love you, they want to see you doing well. The day people stop talking about you is the day they stop caring."
     

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