Bundesliga 2022/23 - 27 EURO finalists play in the best league in Europe

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by Lohmann, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    1. FFC Frankfurt won 7 league titles, 6 times finishing in 2nd place. VfL Wolfsburg have 7 league titles now, 3 times 2nd place...:whistling: lol I get the feeling this probably isn't the most predictable season this league has ever seen.

    And looking at the current competition Wolfsburg's having to face now, versus what the old Frankfurt teams had to contend with, it actually makes more sense now why Wolfsburg would require such a high quality in their overall squad depth.
     
  2. Batfink

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    And what's excuse for Bayern then...? I showed you Bayern's current squad, and it's just as impressive as any of the European elites. Only 2 years ago, many of this current Bayern squad actually key to wining a league title with an exciting brand of football, gradually established over a 6 year period of Bayern being the other half of Germany's new top 2.

    Pretending Bayern now somehow excluded from any criticism, making a lot of your argument here feel pretty unfairly biased to me...:cautious:
     
  3. Batfink

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    It's not bizarre... ALL of Wolfsburg's current squad come from the result of good player recruitment. This to the extent it's even provided them the ability to provide homes to some of Bayern's unwanted players, allowing them with a surprise luxury of having the national teams 2 first choice CB's..:speechless:

    Again, your complaints conveniently ignoring the continued poor decisions of Bayern (and other rivals), that continue to halt, or slow down their ability to topple Wolfsburg's perennial position at the top this league.

    Plus these clubs within a 2 tier semi professional promotion/relegation league system, where your always going to see a natural pyramid of talent exist. Meaning impressive talents that exist outside the top clubs, will always seek to rise up the league.
     
  4. Batfink

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    A 24yo Hagel just followed the same path EVERY good European player wants follow; this being a professional within one of the strong UWCL level teams. Once again, your choosing to act highly disingenuous towards a scenario that's typically considered very normal for everyone else.

    I mean, we literally have a fraudulent recruitment tactic being practiced by Chelsea's women right now, where they actively try signing hyped young foreign players so nobody else can have them, only to loan them out to other clubs just in case said player turns out to be good; and what do we hear/see said about this garbage... silence...:rolleyes:

    This league has a lot to improve, but pretending the next step in Hagel's career a lateral move to another club outside Germany's top 2, sounding absolutely ridiculous lol.
     
  5. Batfink

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    @hotjam2 Should this league have more professional options, yes. Should these options include historically important clubs like Borussia Dortmund, Schalke 04, and Borussia Mönchengladbach... 100% yes. And should popular clubs with relatively established women's departments like RB Leipzig, and 1 FC Köln, be doing much better... yes.

    But getting disgruntled about the way Wolfsburg have been organically rebuilding their team, far better than domestic rivals, instead of making poor acquisitions by throwing money at anyone foreign with clout attached to their name, makes zero sense to me...:confused:

    Hagel was a free transfer next summer... meaning she likely had various other options on the table, and still chose Wolfsburg based on their legacy of developing some of the games best talents. Honestly... you think she's chosen Wolfsburg, because no other good teams wanted her...?
     
  6. hotjam2

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    lol, more like their the only club willing to offer an full time, pro soccer salary! I mean Hagel’s salary last season at HOF was already exposed as just at 2500 euros a month(30K a year). Couple of years ago their previous coach was exposed as having a day job as a mid school teacher while coaching the 3rd best team in the Bundesliga(actually led Bayern for most of the season).
    Bayern’s match vs Tigres was an huge disappointment. Here’s was a chance to step out of its comfort zone & show the rest of the world how to play the game, but either players or style, instead failed miserably to impress(I mean really talk about supposedly superior Euro/smugness; just prove who’s better on the soccer field, lol)

    Bayern’s roster; both GK’s(Groh & last year’s Leipzig) both giving away rather easy goals. Tainara & Viggosdottir aren’t exactly the most heralded CB’s around, l never even heard of them before joining BM/Saki’s just past her prime. With all the creds, Zadrazil’s Austria failed to qualify for the WC, despite having all the Bundi talent. Rall still a mystery at FB, brings whatever valued offensive output, with some shoddy defense. As mentioned previously, Stanway might have been hunted out of the WSL after some very vicious fouls. And(vs Tigres) rather C+ subs like Bragsted, Hansen, the other Icelander took to the field.

    I see Bayern at best, carried by a few, strong players like Buhl, Magull Dallman Lohmann, but dont have the balance to get past WOB or the quarter finals of the Champions League.
     
  7. Batfink

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    Again... why are you pretending Germany's best players don't receive any good options from abroad to become full time professionals...? And why doesn't Bayern's flawed recruitment policy have any relevance towards any of this...?

    Hagel was a FREE TRANSFER and chose Wolfsburg. Nothing held her hostage, and I'm sure she would have had offers from numerous clubs outside of Germany willing to pay her more money to play for them.

    But I feel like your purposefully ignoring this, to continue pushing a weak narrative that doesn't make any sense when you consider the bigger picture revolving through all of Europe's top leagues.
     
  8. Batfink

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    @hotjam2 think... if your Hagel, and Bayern make an offer now, surely you can 100% understand why she'd turn it down in favor of Wolfsburg. Bayern already having access to an elite CAM like Magull, a league veteran like Dallmann, and a talented KLV, but all no longer being used within the teams CAM role...:speechless:

    It doesn't help any arguments if you won't address any of this, thinking it easier to continue pretending Wolfsburg the only club who'd take Hagel; even though it pretty obvious Wolfsburg in need of another CAM/CM, and still happen to be one of Europe's premier clubs...:rolleyes:
     
  9. Batfink

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    On multiple levels this confuses me lol, as the best of times one off friendlies are typically poor indications of leagues/teams general quality. But why would a mid season friendly in Mexico for Germany's 2nd best club, have any baring on the overall perception elite European women's football. I mean, have you seen how BAD Bayern's football has looked within this season in the UWCL lol...?

    Bayern's Barca-lite Euro-trash style is not only a bad representation of the best of German football, but an poor representation of what would be regarded as the best of European football lol. If you think this seasons Bayern a great rep German football, or wider European football.. your not paying enough attention lol.
     
  10. Batfink

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    And yet Bayern's defensive record better than it was last season...:cautious:. I don't rate GPV very highly, and feel her possession based stat padding actually hiding an otherwise very mediocre defender Vs the games elite opposition.

    But Tainara, Bragstad, were both two highly rated young CB talents before joining Bayern, with the current slander being used to attack Kumagai's quality pretty ridiculous, knowing how much better she actually was compared to GPV with a different coach only a few months prior...:whistling:

    She's part of a wnt mid-field featuring Feiersinger and Puntigam. Her best form at club level saw her the DM behind Magull and Lohmann. Yeah... major differences here lol, potentially explaining why Zadrazil was previously considered one Europe's best mid-fielders, and a major factor in Bayern's last exciting title winning team...:rolleyes:
     
  11. Batfink

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    Yet they were a team who previously managed to gradually progress themselves towards being a regular UWCL semifinalist, who looked to be on a clear path of being a finalist someday soon.

    This period of improvement featuring a few dominating performances Vs Wolfsburg too, where they wouldn't appear anything but inferior, even slightly superior at times, to their great domestic rival...:whistling:

    But no... thanks to Lohmann being excellent against Barcelona, and two late goals from Stanway Vs Benfica, we now have to believe this was a myth, and Bayern simply a random collective of individuals, all because this new coach is making such a positive impact...:rolleyes:
     
  12. Batfink

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    At the same half way point last season, Bayern had scored 38 goals compared to this seasons 26...o_O, this currently only being one goal more than Freiburg lol. Yet I'm constantly seeing people lavish praise on Stanway for supposedly improving Bayern's offense...:confused:

    I don't think Bayern really know the player they actually recruited from Man City lol, or payed any close attention to how the same player regularly deployed by her national team during the Euro's. But at least this change of club has forced Stanway to mature, and stop being so reckless within a team there's legit talent who could take her starting place and never let her get it back.
     
  13. Batfink

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    OK... so she's back, and between this news and Marozsan's return, things might get a little more interesting for MVT's potential mid-field plans...:coffee:
     
  14. Batfink

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    #1189 Batfink, Jan 29, 2023
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    @hotjam2 wow, this sure looked like a really intense build up to a big match...:rolleyes:
     
  15. Batfink

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    @hotjam2 lol are we blaming Wolfsburg for this latest decision, or still criticizing the rest of the league...?
     
  16. Batfink

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    Minge re signing with Freiburg is the best news in a king, king time! lol.
    Minge signing again with Freiburg is great news if it means that the club offering higher salaries. Otherwise she’s probably just staying cuz she can move up quicker within the ranks of the Police Department as her two year older teammate & coworker, Lisa Karl, is already lieutenant.

    as for Wolfsburg with their massive amount of talent they keep requiring, the question is where is the hunger?(as Jurgen Klinsman so aptly put it). They’re not playing like their hungry anymore, it might even carryover to thr NT
     
  18. Batfink

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    Yeah, sure.....
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  19. Batfink

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    #1194 Batfink, Jan 31, 2023
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    I don't think Freiburg will be paying their female players more money (yet..:cautious:). But even if they were, I guarantee Wolfsburg one of the few clubs with the kind of status to turn potential inquiries about Stegemann, Steuerwald, or Minge, into these same players having their bags packed before the phone call even finished...:coffee:

    Seriously though, if Minge as good as you believe she is, and she maintains her form into next season, do you honestly believe she remains at Freiburg beyond another two years...? Hagel had ONE season as a starter, scoring 15 goals, assisting 5, in a standout year she'd impress against various strong opposition, before receiving a deserved invitation to join Wolfsburg lol.

    So I can tell you right now... if Minge able to continue scoring like a FW, and stays alongside Pajor, Schüller, Popp, at the very top of the league scoring list, it will only be a matter of time before she becomes the next domestic acquisition for Wolfsburg, or Bayern....:whistling:
     
  20. Batfink

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    #1195 Batfink, Jan 31, 2023
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    None of this makes sense when you talking about a Wolfsburg side trying to win another UWCL, in the process maintaining their domestic dominance over rivals...:confused: I mean, look at the transfer chaos happening in Europe right now, and tell me how Wolfsburg with their budget are doing things incorrectly...:coffee:

    Posing doubts about the potential hunger of a team only featuring ONE player (Popp) from the clubs last group of players to win the UWCL, also sounding pretty stupid lol. Even a 3 time finalist like Pajor unable to lift the UWCL once in her 8 years with the club, highlighting the drive that's undoubtedly within this club to use it's domestic dominance to re-establish the platform for another UWCL title wining side.

    Last time finalists in 2019/20, it's clear Wolfsburg have been re-building a new team for UWCL competition, and now this new look UWCL requires much more squad depth if they also want to maintain their #1 position within the Bundesliga.
     
  21. Batfink

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    First it was a problem Germany didn't play like rival wnt's (USA, France, Netherland's). Then it was supposedly a negative having MVT select so many Bayern and Wolfsburg players. And now it's Wolfsburg having a strong squad somehow remove the hunger from it's key wnt players...:confused:

    Ever heard about steel sharpening steel...? MVT only allowed to select 20 outfield players for the WC, with only 10 of those getting starting places, but due to Wolfsburg using player rotation, we're supposed to believe Brand, Huth, Waßmuth, Popp, Oberdorf, Lattwein, Hegering, Hendrich, Rauch, won't be hungry for anymore success...o_O

    Have you already forgotten the impressive the 2021/22 season was for this group of players lol...? After last year, how could you view Wolfsburg's German players as anything but hungry for achieving future success right now...?
     
  22. Batfink

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    @hotjam2 LOL.... while Germany's best talents thankfully remain in Germany, all being peacefully ignored, I see rumors surrounding your future USwnt goat hope Macario being part of a transfer deal, where she moves to Chelsea, so Lyon can get Russo...:confused:

    But I feel like If you want Macario to see any legitimate Ballon d'or winning opportunities, you better hope this doesn't happen lol. As I maintain their coach seriously overrated, and mainly carried by a large (still suspect) financial portfolio of Chelsea's owners lol.

    So with Bayern's coach not using Magull, KLV, or Dallmann in the CAM role, there's no way Macario would ever have made her way to Bayern, or seen this move be successful. But it is interesting seeing Wolfsburg sign Hagel early, when Roord leaving still remains a possibility, and Lyon now appearing open to allowing Macario to leave for a rival league...:sneaky:
     
  23. Batfink

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    I know MVT's coaching staff has even more data saying the exact same thing. Always making it harder and harder to understand why MVT refuses to use Nüsken in mid-field...:confused:

    Last seasons Nüsken having an excellent season as a CM/DM Pivot, while Oberdorf the deepest player within a double 6. Clearly both impressive but in different ways, it should be obvious to the wnt coaches Nüsken the absolute best option to both be 2nd choice DM, and another #8 option.
     
  24. Batfink

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    #1199 Batfink, Jan 31, 2023
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    Just look at last seasons Oberdorf compared to a DM like Zadrazil...o_O Germany have 2 elite CM/DM's in the league, and MVT has chosen to introduce both of them to her team as mediocre CB's, wow lol.
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  25. hotjam2

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    #1200 hotjam2, Feb 2, 2023
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    not sure what’s with the Macario rumor. I admit I’ve been out of the loop with general info after this one gigantic International e
    forum went private & didn’t want to register(since it was an lezie/and I’m not).
    What I’ve read is that English NT/Man U striker, Alysha Russo supposedly record breaking transfer deal to Lyon fell through in the last moment. This could be kinda good news for WOB & BM cuz it could mean Lyon’s desperately trying to find a striker, so they’re not expecting either Hegerberg or Macario come back to form for a while.
    I originally posted that I was against Macario playing for Lyon due to complacency . As far as her talents; 3 times I’ve seen her score a goal from mid range where the goalkeeper couldn’t react/just stood shell shocked as the goal went in.

    nod to the WSL for not selling Russo???
     

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