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  1. nbrooks503

    nbrooks503 Previously Held @Dynamo Hostage From 2008-2019

    Jun 1, 2008
    Disgruntled Former STH - Fairweather Bandwaggoner
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    "Bob Bradley, or anyone like him, was never coming here. Not only do those guys probably not want to come here for a multitude of reasons, but it's also not what the Dynamo are looking for. "

    And therein lies the problem, if you don't aim for the top then you'll likely fail. Same with the current tone deaf FO. It needs to be comprised of people who live the sport, not people who adopted it because it's a job, and when they move on back to NBA forget it. They actually believe that a degree in sports marketing, and experience in other American sports provides the necessary knowledge to run a soccer team.

    At least the former FO accepted my suggestion that they issue small flashlights to the supporters attending the 2011 MLS Cup. Didn't exactly work out the way I had envisioned.

    This current FO is not supportive of any suggestions that they do not originate. I told them that there are a number of former Dynamo players who have settled in Houston and that they should be given annual creds/seats so that they can attend games and mingle. But they were not interested. When BB was honored at a game on his retirement, he had to buy seats for his family. The current FO is all about attracting new fans who have no idea of the impact Tony Caig had on the club.
     
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  2. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    I feel like Pat has a fairly good idea about Tony Caig....

    Also, I feel like you're holding the former regime against the current regime. I know there are a few holdovers, but Ted, Pat and Asher are the brain trust now. The former two live the sport. John Walker's on his way out. Change has already come and more is coming.
     
  3. Ethos

    Ethos Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    Apr 28, 2019
    Houston
  4. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    I don't know man. I feel like there's a lot of ground to cover and the teams above us are making moves too. That's a 6 spot & 10-15 point jump. The first half of our schedule is brutal. I don't know that Franco, Artur, and Escobar are THAT good. That's basically the new lock down starters at the moment, and we lost a CB without adding one, to a defense that gave up 56 goals last year.
     
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  5. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Just a heads up - under additions at the top you left out Brad Smith and Basso (both of whom you mention in the article which is what matters anyway). Shell Energy Stadium is no longer 22,039 capacity. It's now 20,000 plus change. You mention Micael under CBs, he hasn't actually signed yet the last I heard.
     
  6. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Typo of my own: meant Bassi not Basso.
     
  7. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    Micael is on the roster, so I listed him. Similar to Danny Rios
     
  8. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Interesting. Onstad was on one show or another not long ago and, if I recall correctly, said something to the effect of a contract was offered but hasn't been signed yet and there's been no official announcement.

    Rios is a completely different situation. He was signed by the Dynamo in 2020 to a contract that became effective on Jan 1, 2021 and was only loaned out to D2.
     
  9. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    the official announcements they post appear to trigger off the signing of the contracts. so that bit seems tautological. i don't see where micael was ever made official and he shows up TM as nominally with his brazilian team in terms of rights. it is odd he shows up on the roster -- maybe someone jumped the gun when they were pushing for that -- but he has no designations eg senior/supplemental, international.

    maybe he's trialing for the job and not handed the deal. one answer to this should be in the hands of anyone who has seen the camp practices. is he there or not. if he's there, perhaps that explains the roster designation. he might be a trialist with his work resulting in a loan decision and/or him being sorted to one of the two teams. they might save the contract for then. if he's not there then mineiro required "terms" to do the deal and it likely didn't (and won't) happen.

    not sure if the fanboys getting in a froth are paying enough attention to realize we would then on paper have 3 wingbacks (dorsey smith escobar) -- one of whom story goes is still rehab (smith) -- and 3 CBs (bartlow steres hadebe).

    also bears noting that pat has previously hid behind the "i offered them something" on gitau. "not my fault." however part of the job is not the appearance of activity but getting things done.
     
  10. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    raines, whether i agreed with it or not, chasing HGP is a justifiable reason to carry him HD1 roster while really playing him HD2. he then played first team USOC and was a regular starter. castilla was a prospect who may get elevated. valdez is playing enough at HD2 that feels like a genuine prospect perhaps worth burning a senior spot on. the one i didn't understand is rios who is 19 and played like 50-60' total reserves last season after zip the year before. you two are parsing precisely when he really joined us -- was it 20 or 21 -- let's check that tiny detail -- when the important numbers are he hasn't played a first team minute either 21 or 22, and he barely played any for HD2. that's a mccue-esque waste of a senior slot.

    anyhow, rios is there on the roster list because he nominally has a first team deal. i think micael either someone jumped the gun or he's a trialist and it's just a matter of whose paper he ultimately signs to after a camp. if he's in camp we are softies and he'll land one of the two.
     
  11. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    Micael was signed from Dynamo 2, after they made his loan deal permanent in December (according to Dynamo Theory and Tom Bogart, among others) https://www.dynamotheory.com/2022/1...houston-dynamo-sign-brazilian-defender-micael
     
  12. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Saw those, but one thing you learn working in the media close to the team is until it is either officially announced, or you're told by the club as a source that it is done and will be announced soon, it's not done.

    Don't get me wrong, it probably (hopefully), will happen but here's a link to Onstad's interview from January 24th (so a lot more recent that the quotes in the DT piece) where Onstad says that a deal with Micael is still in the works but not done yet. https://embeds.audioboom.com/publis...23 Dynamo GM Pat Onstad joins Soccer Matters
     
  13. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    https://www.houstondynamofc.com/new...cael-dos-santos-silva-to-mls-next-pro-profess

    They announced him as a HD2 signing, I just don't know how that gets him on HD1. Not really here to argue these points and actually don't really care about the semantics. He's on the roster, so I listed him and think he could maybe help long term.
     
  14. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Yes, last season. To get him on the Dynamo you just have to sign him to a new senior contract. There's two weird things here: the D2 announcement called it a signing. If you look at the Bogert tweet, he says it was a loan from Mineiro to D2 and the Dynamo are now paying $500k to Mineiro to buy him. So there's an inconsistency there. It's also, like I said higher up, weird the Dynamo show him on the roster without an announcement, especially given Onstad comment a week ago.

    By the way, not arguing with you just clarifying because the semantics do matter. If he's not actually signed at this point, it increases the risk he never gets signed.
     
  15. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
  16. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    True or false: your name is JuveChelsea and have no Dynamo mentions in your name, picture, or profile page? I believe that’s called hypocrisy.

    Also, if you’d like an explanation, we did this dance last year. Maybe jumping on bandwagons has damaged your long term memory. I don’t think I have to apologize for also liking a team in Germany.
     
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  17. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    player is loaned from mineiro to HD2 with a purchase option. player signs multiyear deal with HD2. player's option may or may not have been purchased. all that does is get his paperwork to HD2. team says ok now let's tear up that HD2 deal and sign you to HD1 as a reserve but we think you will play. player's agent looks at the roster and says sheeeeee-it you have 3 CBs signed, total, and this would be the 4th, and you're telling him he might play. he wants to play HD1 but he thinks you're wanting a senior player at a reserve salary. you don't have enough CBs rostered to bullsh*t me otherwise. if you wanted him cheap you should have had another senior CB signed and sold this to me like he was really a reserve. i think my kid is better than bartlow and steres, could start this season, and at minimum i think he'll be dressing. pay up.

    fwiw i am sure HD1 and HD2 camp together so they can play chicken all spring. no rule says HD1 can't have trialists until roster deadline. player has every incentive to show up HD1 games and look good to prod a senior deal towards possibility. or showcase for other teams. just like gitau. pat plays chicken that he ends up HD2 on a minor league salary. player plays chicken that he suits up HD1 for good money. and since the camps aren't separate they can fudge which one he's with until decision day.

    player to me has leverage because we need the bodies and probably have misgivings if steres and bartlow will hold up. however pat has proved willing to stubbornly blow up a prospect as good as gitau over money so who knows.
     
  18. juvechelsea

    juvechelsea Member+

    Feb 15, 2006
    #171 juvechelsea, Jan 31, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2023
    also "are signing" is future tense that hasn't yet happened obviously. and that may have been conflating optioning the player with contracting the player which are 2 separate things if we're switching him HD2 to HD1 after buying him HD2. we may have done part 1 but not part 2. i would assume so if he's in camp. they may not have expected him to be clever about it.

    terms are normally same time as the loan but then normally you're being bought for the team you're already on loan with. duh. his agent clearly saw the differemce.

    he did "sign HD2" yes but we don't know if they fudged how exactly he "joined". and even if he signed directly, or loaned, or has even bee purchased, that gets his paper to HD2, he can play hardball to get HD1 paper.
     
  19. DynamoManiac

    DynamoManiac Member+

    Jan 27, 2014
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Pretty much sums up my thoughts. Particularly on Corey Baird. May have been really good in the final month of last season, but odds are always going to be that he's the guy we saw in the much larger sample set prior to that.

    Hopefully Bassi or Quinones is taking that spot soon.
     
  20. Brian Gilchriest

    Eintracht Frankfurt
    United States
    Oct 3, 2020
    I’m hoping Quinones isnt be the new Lassiter. Run fast, super electric, can’t make the final play.
     

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