Manager's best XI

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  1. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    I honestly dont know what you are trying to prove with highlighting certain results. (top teams in epl beating spanish teams)

    Better goalscorers than serie a in 80s, but no all time great goalscorers. Henry was shitting on epl.. you get a sense what prime Cristiano would do if he stayed.

    Imagine if Eto'o played or Suarez stayed longer or Lewandowski or historical greats
     
  2. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    Okay. Can you rank top 10 strikers in the last 10 years? And where would Benzema be?

    Because apparently, epl alone in 2000s has 10 better strikers than one of the best of this generation and ballon dor winner.
     
  3. PuckVanHeel

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    #53 PuckVanHeel, Jan 21, 2023
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    I think Van Persie at his best and healthy was better as Benzema but Benzema at his best in turn is better as Van Nistelrooij at his best (just as efficient and with better skills, although RvN is underrated in that regard; his link up play, assists in the CL, his directness and dribbling past opponents, like vs Real Madrid in 2003).

    Van Persie imho has a very strong case for being the best EPL player of the 2005-2015 period, even if with all those injuries (outside his own fault). Although with the necessary qualifier that folks like Suarez, Bale and of course Ronaldo left prematurely to other leagues (if you consider this, then undoubtedly the picture changes).

    Jurgen Klopp has said he was the best center forward he managed against. He has reached the mark of an okay 30 CL goals (each country has only a few of those players; Holland has even five), scored against many big teams in major tournaments, WhoScored has him #1 or #2 in each season between 2009-2013, he was number one in Fink Tank in the period 2002 to 2017, his non-penalty goals + assists per 90 is #1 among the 2005-2015 players. Has great goals against super strong teams (including a much, much better Barcelona).

    Van Nistelrooij at his best has a few strengths (and only a few players can say they have been topscorer in, at that time, three top leagues), was often the only attacker in his team but I think Benzema has largely the same strengths and more. Real Madrid was however even more dependent on Van Nistelrooij (before he got hurt) as on Benzema, but the team was also less succesfull clearly...

    RvP was also clearly very efficient with his chances (per OPTA), but of course he didn't always play as a center forward so the data cannot be directly compared to others.

    I don't see how Romario can be seen as better as Lewandowski at this point. In general, the all-round game of center forwards have gone up a level in the past fifteen years. RvP was one of his earliest exponents of this (but he doesn't have the longevity, resume or career).
     
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  4. carlito86

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    #54 carlito86, Jan 21, 2023
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    A ballon dor trophy in and of itself isn't proof of greatness
    For sure Romarios all round game in la liga 1993/94 was better then peak Robert lewandowskis

    Im talking here about the link up play and the ability to create plays individually
    Romario in la liga 1993/94 was unusual to say the least
    as in it was and still largely is rare or even extremely rare to find a box striker like him as involved in build up he was

    Maybe you'll like this uploaded 3 months ago
    I was going to post it on the best striker prime thread

    Its the first video im aware of that concentrates on Romario the player as opposed to Romario the goalscorer


    Romario on his day was a top 15 all timer obviously not having not enough of those days to be considered as such
    His ceiling was a tier higher than Lewandowski IMO
     
  5. Sexy Beast

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    Dinamo Zagreb
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    So you are not giving me top 10 ranking for strikers last 10 years?
     
  6. carlito86

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    #56 carlito86, Jan 22, 2023
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    I'll do tiers

    Tier 1
    Robert lewandowski
    Luis Suarez

    Tier 1.5
    Zlatan ibrahimovic
    just including the last 10 years discounts a large portion of his career
    His peak at PSG is greater than anything produced by the players below him though


    Tier 2
    Karim Benzema
    Sergio aguero
    Harry Kane

    Tier 3
    Edison cavani
    Gonzalo higuain
    Erling Haaland
    Aubameyang
     
  7. wm442433

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    #57 wm442433, Jan 24, 2023
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    Battiston of Monaco was still a highly respectable player, by his personality, his natural class I'd say, but objectively was on the wane (the '89 Cup final with the hat-trick of Papin is the big picture of this, although it's one year after the league title won by Monaco).
    If we like to do parallels, it's a bit a repeat of Kaelbel when Monaco won the title in '61. Kaelbel (captain) was a bit younger but at times unfit to play and rarely "transcendent" although he could look good at times too, hopefully. But it's not the same era and as for Battiston he could be overwhelmed at times in this lates 80's football, after already a rich career. For both theses two players I read artices, quite polite articles, that sill denote that.
    The peak of Battiston as a libero is definitevily with Bordeaux ('85). Here he was a top-player. I think it is his career peak, superior to when he played as RB and also stopper. In some way, it can be strange that he was on the wane only 2 or 3 years after that, at just 30 years but again he already had a rich career and it's like he aged alot in a few time since Platini retired or was retiring (1986/1987). Post World Cup '86 (libero for both Bordeaux and the NT) his international performances were never the same again. He was actually far from his previous level.
    Previously, he was a natural CB who played RB and his NT performances at this position did not always please the critics. Still he has a good collection of great performances on the right flank in the end, especially since his Saint-Etienne years (so that's still talking about the NT, because in club, no problem. It's at the international level that he was not always completely at his ease). At the league level, he was already a great RB with Metz, especially remarkable for his age, which opened him the doors of the French Team very early in his career. Btw, he played as stopper then as RB during the Euro '84 (then, let's recall that it's the opposite in '86 with Bossis stopper and as said previoulsy anyway, Battiston libero when they formed the central defense. In '85 I'm not sure without searching, maybe it varied during the year but I'd tend to say Bossis still held the libero role. Battiston only played three times for France in '85 btw whilst he won the league title and reached the E1 semis with Bordeaux. He just played the two decisive games against Yugoslavia).

    Making it shorter this time for Amoros : yes he was "in/ around his peak" as you say. '86, '87, we'll agree on/ around this, it's between these two years and '88 is stillqualifies for his best years obviously, even after, and before, when he was more spectacular even but also because it could be the wrong way (he did not loose his combativity but relatively cooled off a bit. With age, and maybe alos a bit thanks to Wenger? Wenger who also lined him up as LM in different occasions (with a back-four. The double laterals thing that could be seen quite often and a bit everywhere, at least in Europe, at the time).

    Petit was developping... and maybe knew his "peak part I" under Tigana before joining back Wenger at Arsenal for his "peak part II"... or his true one peak.
    Weah certainly was the Wenger's great find in any case. Sure he had the highlights in the E1 with PSG then some nice highlights in the Serie A obviously but at Monaco he was proficient in the league + in either the E2 or the E3. But it is known that there are more entertainment and entreaties in Paris.
    I don't compare with Hoddle who obviously already had a career.

    Maybe Puel, peaked with Wenger? And very possibly Sauzée, before joining back Marseille.
    Fabrice Poullain... but I'm conscious there's few chances for they make the cut ahead of Fabregas-Vieira-Petit...
    Djorkaeff peaked... at PSG... Rui Barros, had a great season previously it seems, with Juve. Thuram took even more muscular mass in Italy... Klinsmann... Klinsmann, good question too.

    Here are the Battiston 1987/88 league ratings : 4 (OM first day match), 4, 3, 2 (Le Havre, I don't think he ever had such a rating prior that), 4, 2 (Niort), dnp, dnp, 4 (Bordeaux), 3, 4, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 3, 3. Second half of the season : 4, 4, 3, 4, 3... let's continue until the end : 3, 5 (0-0 in Laval), 3, 3, 3... 3, 3, dnp, dnp... 3, 3, 3 and 2 in Marseille.
    I was not optimistic but that's even worse than I thought and a bit painful for such a great player. Honestly I'm a bit like :cry: right now.

    Interesting topic anyway;).
     
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  8. PDG1978

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    Thanks, yes, it's interesting how Hoddle is so glowing about Battiston (maybe that made me assume he was still 'somewhat' in his libero peak in the Monaco championship season at least...but comparing to his FF 1986 WC grades those will be much lower for 87/88 for example - I remember FF rated both him and Bossis consistently very good during WC 86), when his ratings were not so great (unless they actually improved during 88/89 I guess). I think from what I saw of him as a RB he was for sure good, and could play some good crosses too, but it makes sense that his peak would be considered as Bordeaux libero I guess yeah. He was playing in midfield at the moment of the Schumacher incident of course wasn't he (on as sub) IIRC, so he was generally versatile, and I guess Hoddle compares him to Rio Ferdinand on the basis of being comfortable on the ball and also quite a smooth mover physically....

    Yeah, it seems to me like Amoros had quite a long prime overall: you showed he had quite a few Monaco assists IIRC on your thread about Ligue 1 assists, and I seem to remember he was still quite good in his Marseille days, and also a good crosser. I read actually that apparently he was voted top ever Marseille right back: considering they had Angloma following on from him that's quite notable I guess. But yeah, he's more an 80s player rather than 90s player still, when he'd be slowing down a bit etc.

    Yeah, if there would be room for a second central midfielder in the XI then perhaps Sauzee could contend for a place vs Petit and Gilberto Silva for example (but I don't think that really there is room for one, because that would mean no creative CM/AM, assuming Bergkamp was in....though maybe it could be possible to put a Hoddle or Stojkovic nominally at RM in theory.....less so a Fabregas or Monaco era Scifo I think though....., though then neither Ljungberg or Overmars would be in in that case for example, if Pires went at LM).

    EDIT - I think Hoddle doesn't only put Weah in his XI because of the Monaco form, so potentially he could also be considering how Battiston was before he joined Monaco, because he probably knew of him well enough. I'm not sure though. Maybe he thought Battiston was playing better than France Football thought he was!
     
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  9. PDG1978

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    The other player that could be a suitable candidate for the right side, I guess, would be Youri Djorkaeff:
     
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  10. wm442433

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    Yes, as a RB, the critics came when there was no offensive output and for an hesitation between staying at the back and attacking. Then the offensive setup of the team may did not help and that partly can explain it (he could be described as shy too, and he shown more insurence with time).
    As for Hoddle comment about Battiston being comfortable on the ball, that's something that doesn't disappear for sure anyway.
    In '87 he wanted to retire from the NT (same as Tigana).

    He has perhaps more decent league ratings in 1988/89 overall, indeed, but although the league's average ratings are not high his individual ratings don't suggest he regain true "international form" neither : 4, 3, 3, 4, 3, 4, 2, 3, 4, 3, 3, 3, 3, dnp vs OM, 4, 3, 3/ 3, 3, dnp, 4 at PSG/ winter pause/ 3, 4, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, dnp vs Bordeaux, 4 and missing data on Day #38
    At that time, the ratings were perhaps "more severe" so to speak but also the NT was in the doldrums (also, maybe the nt results, when they're good, boost the league ratings in some periods of time and vice-versa + the league goal-ratio has an effect too ofc on the minds of the raters)
    Platini called him back in '89 and he could not refuse it to him but the sparkle was not there anymore.

    And yes for sure, about Hoddle's appreciation of Battiston and Weah which is about the time they met and in career at the same time. I re-watched the ("sponsorized") video the other day.
     
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  11. wm442433

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    #61 wm442433, Jan 26, 2023
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    It makes me think about another option. He stood only one season in Europe, at Monaco, and I'm not sure how he did overall during that season, but in any case, on that day, he was Garrincha reincarnated : https://www.mondefootball.fr/resume/coupe-de-france-1992-1993-1-runde-stade-poitiers-as-monaco/
    Luis Henrique.

    (from remembrance they played like this on this one : Etorri - Dumas - Sonor, Valéry, Petit - Puel - Barros, Pérez - Henrique, Revelles, Djorkaeff. Klinsmann was there but did not play).
    (...I just see now that the referee was the eventual referee of Valenciennes-OM)
     
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  12. poetgooner

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    For a Wenger XI, I think it's apt for us to have a defensive RB anyway.

    Even just taking his Arsenal XI, his best RB would probably be Sagna. I think his his teams have always had this Nike shape defense where the LB pushes forward and the RB is more defensive.
     
  13. PDG1978

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    Without wanting to be mischievous about it (as I know you'd be inclined towards Ashley Cole at left back), I guess that would possibly make Amoros more of a left back candidate (maybe wm442433 would know better how many Monaco games he played at LB, how many at RB, how many as wide midfielder though under Wenger). Having said that John Barnes put him as RB in this XI (when Nicol was arguably better as a RB himself, although did often play LB in the 87/88 season behind Barnes) and cited his defensive qualities in terms of how he did against Barnes himself, I remember:
    Ultimate XI:John Barnes - YouTube
    Barnes seems to vary his choices in his XI more than most though, I notice (without necessarily different criteria too it seems)!
    John Barnes: Perfect XI | FourFourTwo
    Barnes' Dream XI | Football News | Sky Sports

    Just going off topic to Marseille a minute and using @Excape Goat's page about their all-time players, I'd probably put Angloma at RB and Amoros at LB, although understand Di Meco was a long servant of the club
    Soccer, football or whatever: Olympique de Marseille Greatest All-Time Team (soccerfootballwhatever.blogspot.com)

    This page is maybe useful or interesting, although doesn't say a lot about how he played in 87/88 and 88/89 really, although there are some comments about Wenger's methods
    Manuel Amoros: Franco's loss is France's gain - Pythagoras In Boots
    I'm not sure whether the comment about being less attacking at Marseille is based on seeing how many goals he scored rather than a great insight in general. wm442433 showed on his French League assists thread that he still got a good number of those as Marseille player.
     
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  14. wm442433

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    #64 wm442433, Jan 28, 2023
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    And @poetgooner

    Without checking : mainly LB in quite a big proportion at Monaco and about the same at RB with Marseille, even more clearly RB, I'd say.

    As for the LM position, it's difficult to be assertive since there's no separation between the different lines in the match reports at this point in time and for there are several players who are quite versatile and as the coach can try different things from one game to another (sometimes some surprising choices).
    Amoros played there in the '89 French Cup Final for sure + some other games also for sure because I remember an article saying that in spite of his "philosophy" Wenger also used some (relative?) defensive set-ups. I think we can judge it's relative but in an article, a journalist did not miss to put the finger on this anyway.

    By looking at the match reports, in diagonal :

    First league appearance ever for Monaco : LB.
    1981/1982 : CB until day #5 then MF in a 4-3-3 during three games... CB... MF...LB around Day#12... dnp... RB once back on the team then dnp, then MF, then RB, RB, LB, dnp, LB, MF, RB (#36, #37), LB.
    (so that's a quick look at the match reports. It could be the object of a complete thread)

    1983/84 : RB, LB, RB, LB, RB, LB... doing the switch each game, one after the other there, in the beginning of this season. LB. MF (#12, #13), LB... LB, LB, LB until the end.

    1985/86 : LB, LB... LB, huh?

    1987/88 : RB, RB, LB... RB, LB. LB...RB... looks like a 50/50... Day #19 : MF, possibly RM with Mège on the left (except if Mège was inverted winger on this one? But the ordering, normally, says RM). RB, RB, LB, RB, LB... and LB in the last twelve games except for a couple of times.

    Now I think I already saw he played MF that early but did not remember so I'm rediscovering this. Same use as Janvion (+ CB too, as well... in 4-3-3) + MF in a 4-4-2 for Amoros (not sure for Janvion). Like Brehme, plenty...
    LB at Lyon. Btw, he always wanted to play as a libero but surely was used as a man marker at CB in '82, in club.
    As for the NT that would be another thing to check. I'd tend to say 65% LB, 35% RB but the true numbers I don't know, and it could be surprising, maybe more balanced, maybe even less (yeah, that's possible), dunno.

    Back to 1986/87 : I can detect he was MF on Day #1. That's all I wanted to know, I stop there. It could happen. At that point in time, maybe more in the Cup games?

    1989/90 (OM) : RB since the start. Day#14 : RB with 3 centrals or MF in a 4-3-3? RB, RB... LB, against Monaco. RB, MF. RB until the end of the season.

    1991/92 : RB. dnp (Angloma did), RB... RB (Angloma doesn't play much). Day #12 in Auxerre : LB with three centrals (Angloma in at the 78th). Day #14, 1-1 in St-Etienne: LB and Angloma MF or both WB with three centrals? Answer : Amoros LB (1 assist) an Angloma RB with 3 centrals (video). In this kind of setup, the ordering of the players may not be clearly done, in some FF match reports. Then RB, RB... RB. Day #30 vs Auxerre : none of Amoros or Angloma. Then RB in Nantes (Angloma dnp). 32 : Angloma RB and Amoros LB in a 4-man line. 33 : same but with 3 CB's. 34 : same but with Amoros on the right and Angloma on the left (if the ordering is correct).
    Then the links are broken (more and more are) and on Day #38 there's a very original starting lineup (1-0 win in Lille, Pelé 77') :
    Olmeta
    Baills
    Casoni
    Boli (Pelé 20')
    Angloma
    Mozer
    Di Meco
    Durand (Libra, with that typo, 46')
    Sauzée
    Xuereb
    Eyraud

    They should have kept the lineups written in line with tirets to separate the lines, instead of this list in the form of a column.
    Quite for sure, Angloma and Di Meco were the "WB's" there, but who was the CB and who was the DM between Casoni and Mozer (looks like it was Mozer at DM on this one) and are the CB's well ordered as to know who played more centrally or "libero" (I think yes)? But it's not that clear when it's the "5-3-2" or stuff thing (especially on Day #14, it wasn't clear at all).
     
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  15. wm442433

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    And yes, 1988/89 :
    quick overview again : LB, LB, RB, LB, LB, LB... RB, LB, LB... RB, LB, LB...LB (RB a couple of times), LB... LM on Day #32 vs Montpellier, MF/LM in Marseille, MF, RB, LM, LM and... day #38 is missing.

    Mainly LB but LM in the last part of the league season + cup. RB at times along the season.
     
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  16. PDG1978

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    Maybe Amoros at RB and Ashley Cole at LB would be reasonable for a Wenger XI then at least, although the next question in theory might be were the 87/88 and 88/89 ratings better for Amoros as RB or as LB lol!
     
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  17. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
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    Dec 2, 2021
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    Jupp Heinckes Best XI:

    Neuer

    Lahm
    Hierro
    Boateng
    Roberto Carlos

    Matthaus
    Schweinsteiger (maybe Redondo?)

    Robben
    Raul
    Ribery (maybe Seedorf?)

    Lewandowski
     
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  18. wm442433

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    Yes.
     
  19. wm442433

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    Wenger's 11. That's how I put it on paper lately (with a last take on the 11 at the end).

    First shot :

    Seaman/ Lehmann
    Amoros-x-Adams-Cole
    Fabregas-Vieira-Petit
    Bergkamp
    Weah-Henry

    Using not the winged 4-4-2 so sorry for the unrealistic and tactically/ technically quite unbalanced approach.

    In 4-4-2, dunno who I'd sacrifice. Van Persie could be putted there, on one side although Ljungberg or Hleb could provide more balance. A thought to G. Silva too, at "DM".

    More alternatives :

    Wings :
    Overmars (L)
    Pirès (L)
    Wiltord (R)
    Ljundgberg (R)
    Hleb (R)
    Sanchez (R)
    Cazorla (W/ 10)
    Reyes (W/ 10)

    Djorkaeff (LM/ 10 in a 4-4-2, L or R in 4-3-3)
    Fofana (L, R)
    Henrique (R, L)
    ... Gnako (RM)

    (V. Persie aside, the two first named in the Arsenal "wingers" list lead the debate in the case there would be a possibility for a winger)

    GK : Ettori... Sczesny, Cech... (will not really compete)

    RB : Dixon, Lauren, Eboué, Sagna... Bellerin... (I hesitate between Amoros and Lauren mainly)
    LB : Winterburn... Silvinho, Clichy... Monreal...(Cole could take the spot over Amoros, especially if Amoros wins on the right... otherwise, not sure)

    CB : Dumas, Thuram, Bould... Campbell, Touré, Gallas, Vermaelen... Koscielny, Mertesacker...

    DM's/ CM's: Poullain, Dib, Sauzée... Keown (CB), Parlour, Flamini, Song, Arteta...

    10's : Hoddle, Ferratge, Diaz (+/- FWD), Barros, Scifo, Stojkovic... Arshavin, Rosicky, Özil... Nasri... (a nice collection of 10's for Mr. Wenger)

    ST : Hateley, Klinsmann, Ikpeba... Wright, Anelka, Kanu (+/- 10)... Aubameyang, Adebayor... Giroud...

    Left Battiston, Pérez, R. Mendy, Edu, Podolski, Merson and Platt aside (not that all the cited players above have way more possibilities to make the 11).


    Seaman/ Lehmann
    Amoros-x-Adams-Cole
    Fabregas-Vieira-Petit
    Bergkamp
    Weah-Henry

    ...

    -----------Lehmann-------
    -Amoros---Adams----Cole
    -------Vieira-----Petit-----
    ----Fabregas--Bergkamp--
    --Weah----Henry----Pirès-


    ???

    The biggest omission being Overmars. To me. And the match would maybe be less against Pirès than against Fabregas (so Pirès should move to IL and Bergkamp to IR).
     
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  20. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

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    Or Kohler?
     
  21. Isaías Silva Serafim

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    I think Kohler reached his peak at Juventus. As opposed to Hierro and Boateng who reached their peak under Heynckes
     
  22. wm442433

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    vs Boateng only.
     
  23. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
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    Boateng's two best seasons (12/13 and 17/18) both came under Heinckes. While Kohler's best seasons were his first 3 seasons at Juventus. Maybe you saw more Kohler and I saw more Boateng. But I would love to see your point of view on why you consider the 89/90 or 90/91 Kohler superior to the 12/13 or 17/18 Boateng
     
  24. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

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    Nice analysis mate. On a small note, Sanchez and Hleb might actually be options from the left moreso than right I'd say, but they are decent calls for being in borderline contention anyway based on their Arsenal primes I think yeah....

    The bottom team looks great to watch potentially - might lead to some 6-6 draws or something maybe though! Potentially Campbell and Kolo Toure could go in the wider back 3 positions maybe (but that makes it 3 outright defenders with less width, especially since it's older Campbell compared to the 90s version...although Toure did occasionally play right back for Arsenal and was decent on the ball at his best for sure - Amoros might still be better there though maybe). It's basically a WM I suppose, reminiscent of the Rest of World/Europe team in this game arguably (though maybe Kubala was almost a striker and Vukas almost an AM in effect I'd feeling)
    England vs. Rest of the World 1953 | Footballia
    An apt system with your user name anyway for sure!
     
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  25. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
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    Dec 2, 2021
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    Arrigo Sachi's Best XI

    Galli

    Tassotti
    Baresi
    Costacurta
    Maldini

    Rijkaard
    Ancelotti
    Donadoni
    Gullit

    Baggio
    Van Basten
     

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