Best Striker in the Last Decade

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Best Striker in the Last Decade?

  1. Zlatan

    2 vote(s)
    6.3%
  2. Suarez

    18 vote(s)
    56.3%
  3. Benzema

    1 vote(s)
    3.1%
  4. Lewandowski

    11 vote(s)
    34.4%
  1. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    You don't watch football. Playmaking as far as forwards go, he is the best after Messi.
     
  2. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    We can all dream

    Where is your vote for benzema BTW
    He still has 0 votes on this thread and you are defending him like this :ROFLMAO:
     
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  3. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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  4. lessthanjake

    lessthanjake Member+

    May 9, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    As usual, SayWhatIWant is overrating a Real Madrid player, but Benzema actually *is* a very good playmaker IMO. I’m virtually always impressed with several of his passes when I watch Real Madrid matches.
     
  5. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    No I'm not, what active attacker is a better playmaker (Beside Messi)?
     
  6. lessthanjake

    lessthanjake Member+

    May 9, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    As @poetgooner implied above, Neymar is an example. Benzema has always impressed me with his passing though, so while I don’t rate him as highly in this regard as you do, I do think it’s a major strength for him.
     
  7. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    Yes, Neymar may be superior in terms of ability, I would tend to agree. But it is not backed up concretely with results. Benzema has the CL pedigree.
     
  8. lessthanjake

    lessthanjake Member+

    May 9, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Winning the CL doesn’t mean someone is the best at everything.
     
  9. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
  10. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
  11. lessthanjake

    lessthanjake Member+

    May 9, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Pretty sure @poetgooner is trolling, not actually agreeing with you, bud.
     
  12. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    I had a good laugh, what's your point? He's funny, I like it.
     
  13. lessthanjake

    lessthanjake Member+

    May 9, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Leaving aside Neymar, I also think there are some other great playmaking attackers that are in the mix. For instance, Thomas Muller is a great playmaker (although his role is weird and not really a striker, so not sure if you’d count him for these purposes). And, while I know people like to dunk on English players as overrated, I think Harry Kane’s playmaking is genuinely really impressive, particularly in the last few years.
     
  14. Edhardy

    Edhardy Member+

    Sep 4, 2013
    Nairobi, Kenya
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Harry Kane strike me as superior passers of the ball to Karim Benzema, but perhaps there's more being considered as playmaking than just passing in which case Benz could be better overall.
     
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  15. Gregoire1

    Gregoire1 Member

    Dec 4, 2020
    Can somebody explain where is the talent of likes Lewa, Benzema, Mandzhukic, Kane ect? Only sense of the goal like Gerd Muller had? Ibra and Suarez at least have great dribbling, shot, pass and technique.
     
  16. TomNeil

    TomNeil Member

    São Paulo FC
    Brazil
    May 7, 2021
    Suarez...easy....then Ibrahimovic, Lewandowski and Benzema.
     
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  17. Michael Fabzio

    Michael Fabzio New Member

    Nov 16, 2020
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  18. Earvin

    Earvin New Member

    Barcelona
    Morocco
    Jul 1, 2021
    @carlito86 I do not wish to make this post an ad hominem, but you should know that while reading the thread, it is very clear that you are biased against Benzema. Sure i do not consider him to be the best of the 4, actually no user did if we go by the poll. But your obsession to downplay his achievements is simply ridiculous.
     
  19. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I think that "Striker" by definition is the player who is positioned closest to the opponent's goal and whose primary function is to score goals rather than create them. And the topic cut is "in the last decade", which corresponds to the period between 2011 and 2020. In this sense, for me it is very clear which of these players fits better in the title of the thread.

    Lewandowski has 43 more goals than any of these other three players between the season 10/11 and 19/20.

    The goal Ranking from 10/11 to 19/20 is:
    Lewandowski - 349 goals
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic - 306 goals
    Suarez - 289 goals
    Benzema - 240 goals
     
  20. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This is only league goals surely?

    289 goals seems a little low for Suarez
     
  21. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Maybe it's just for clubs but I don't think so. I got these numbers from the trachta thread

    Goal contribution of the best players
     
  22. lessthanjake

    lessthanjake Member+

    May 9, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    On the subject of the playmaking of these players (at least in terms of making the final ball), I think it’s interesting to look at the Big Chances Created stat.

    This is a stat that measures chances created that had a high xG (I believe the threshold is at least a 0.3 xG, but am not *certain*). Broadly speaking, these are the types of chances created that are what we really think about when we talk about great final balls (though it does also sweep in things like an easy sideways pass for a tap in).

    On SofaScore, we have data on Big Chances Created starting in the summer of 2016. I’ve tallied up this data for league play, Champions League (as well as Europa League where relevant), and major NT tournaments in that timeframe for these four players.

    This is a lot of data, since it includes over 300 matches for all of them but Ibrahimovic (who, only has 158 matches counted here, and, admittedly, gets the short end of the stick a bit with this analysis since this timeframe is mostly the tail end of his career). I’ve calculated Big Chances Created per 90 minutes, using minutes data from FBref.

    Big Chances Created Per 90 mins (League + CL + Major NT Competitions from mid-2016 onwards):

    1. Luis Suarez: 0.387
    2. Zlatan Ibrahimovic: 0.354
    3. Karim Benzema: 0.342
    4. Robert Lewandowski: 0.275

    This does validate our general understanding that Robert Lewandowski is a step below the other three in playmaking. It does not, however, support the suggestion that Benzema is better than the others in this regard.

    ________________________

    To give you all some context regarding where the above numbers stand compared to some other players, here’s the numbers for some others players:

    Lionel Messi: 0.863
    Kevin De Bruyne: 0.738
    Neymar: 0.734
    Thomas Muller: 0.619
    Kylian Mbappe: 0.569
    Harry Kane: 0.296
    Cristiano Ronaldo: 0.289
     
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  23. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #99 carlito86, Feb 3, 2023
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2023
    Before some overzealous/over excited Barcelona fans run with this lets just make crystal clear that Cristiano Ronaldo in his actual prime is nearer the top of this list rather than the bottom

    Lionel Messi blew him away to space and back in this regard since 2014/15 but not before
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    2010/11 to 2013/14
    La liga and champions league

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    77 big chances created
    15547 minutes played

    172 matches
    0.45 big chances created per 90


    Lionel Messi
    91 big chances created
    14746 minutes played
    164~ matches played

    0.55 big chances created per 90

    https://www.messivsronaldo.app/detailed-stats/big-chances-created/

    And of course this doesn't even include Ronaldos best season as a creator either where he was definitely ahead of Messi too(and almost every other player in the league or even Europe)




    Competing with Messi/higuain in goals
    Competing with Messi in dribbles
    Competing with xavi/sneijder in chance creation

    At the same time in the same season

    2 red cards and 2 months out injured prevented him for putting on maybe the best season ever or at least one to really challenge Messis absolute best level
    It was still remarkable for a debut campaign





    Bringing it back
    Overall of course Messi is vastly superior in this regard but i take issue with people using sofascore and these other sites that only go back to when Cristiano was 31 years old in 2016 and obviously was nowhere near as dynamic as he previously was
     
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  24. lessthanjake

    lessthanjake Member+

    May 9, 2015
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    How does that website have data on “big chances created” dating back to 2010-2011? Do we know where it’s getting it from? A very quick glance at the data suggests they line up with the data I’ve got from SofaScore, but SofaScore doesn’t have data on this stat further back than the 2015-2016 season. I’d certainly be curious to see the data going back to 2010-2011 for quite a lot of players.
     
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