News/Rumor: 2023 Chicago Fire Roster Speculation

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by willydonc, Sep 14, 2022.

  1. Gobernador Blanco

    Chicago Fire
    Mexico
    Jul 30, 2022
    Upper Midwest
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Not enough parity and no post season playoffs!
     
    goldclover repped this.
  2. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Parity?
    As opposed to the Chicago Fire which are a parody of a successful soccer team.
     
  3. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    #1178 overlap_old_coach, Jan 26, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 26, 2023
    FWIW, my recollection is Fede was the "kill counters by pulling up and passing backwards WAY too much".

    The data only captures progressive/forward passes...but it inversely true, ya?
    upload_2023-1-26_20-37-57.png
    upload_2023-1-26_20-39-29.png

    .................PrgDist/90......Prog/90
    Gaston........234.4............4.15
    Fede...........183.1............3.30
     
  4. Michail Antonio?
     
    NotHelmut and xtomx repped this.
  5. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Looking like multiple guys were on a fitness regime in the off-season!
    upload_2023-1-26_20-44-46.png upload_2023-1-26_20-52-10.png

    SO...what color are these practice jerseys? Is that part of our "palette"?
     

    Attached Files:

    Old Man! and goldclover repped this.
  6. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Interesting target...
    He's been producing 10g/season while not playing every game...so health/minutes at 32 is a question/concern. His wrecking ball style would be either a) really disruptive/effective or b) a candidate for the most cards in the league.



    I believe his last "deal" was 7mil in 2015...so if Heitz could some how pull him in as a max TAM...DO IT.

    If he would have to be our DP...um...nah. With the resources we have, I'd rather GO BIGGER.
     
  7. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    willydonc repped this.
  8. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    really like Antonio as a person and have loved watching him play but seems like he’s already on the downswing and his style of play doesn’t age well

    but if he’s the guy it’d be pretty good fun to cheer for him
     
  9. GHjelm

    GHjelm Member+

    Apr 23, 2008
    Batavia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I bet we could get 2 seasons of double digit goals from him, but he's not going to play every game and our current forwards require an entirely different setup around them to be effective. If we had a Sapong type as a backup, I'd be more on board.
     
    goldclover repped this.
  10. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
  11. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry to be repetitive but…. A bird in hand is worth two in the bush. Waiting to acquire the mythical “perfect” striker does not guarantee he will materialize. Someone now will give the player time to integrate and develop a working relationship and rapport with teammates. The additional points generated early in upcoming season could be critical later.
     
    xtomx repped this.
  12. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    A bird in the hand is better than one in the bush.

     
  13. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    True, unless the bird poops in your hand, much like our previous couple of high prices strikers have done.
     
    goldclover repped this.
  14. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good reply but there must be a known quantity, reasonable-quastriker out there someplace. Mostly I was cautioning against a search for a mythical
    Understand your comment. I would like us to find someone not bird poop and not a mythical unicorn.
     
    goldclover and xtomx repped this.
  15. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    "not bird poop and not a mythical unicorn" is a pretty low bar.
     
  16. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry- not my intention is not to set a low bar. Definitely do not want bird poop or anything even close. But I also feel there is value in completing the transaction now rather than later. Also do not want to waste time pursuing something that does not exist
    (ie. A mythical unicorn).
     
    goldclover and xtomx repped this.
  17. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I know, just messing with you. I agree with your assessment.
     
    schroncar repped this.
  18. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Of course sooner is desired, and I think the early start to the season adds pressure to ‘just do something’…but I’ll argue 4 things that support being patient.
    1) the current XI is largely the same, but now know each other and are not dinged up
    2) MLS DP tags are critical to get right
    3) like with Torres, there’s going to be marketplace action in the next 3mo
    4) with the war chest we have accumulated we should be aiming for monster signing

    That said, I’m anxious for the U22 and TAM signings. Hopefully Antonio can be a TAM signing…but I doubt it…and we already have a a TAM striker, so hard to imagine 2.

    interesting times ahead~
     
    Jiggly_333 repped this.
  19. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok- discussion time. Assumption #1=DP will be a quality striker “soon”.
    Assumption #2= We have funds, roster space and the desire to acquire 2-U22,
    1- max TAM and 1- medium TAM slot.
    Question- Please share your thoughts on the position, the timing and which slot space you prefer. ( NOT who)
    Almost forgot to mention. One rumor says Joe would welcome ideas and might spring for a free meal for the person with the best plan.( just a rumor).
     
    bunge, goldclover and xtomx repped this.
  20. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    1. The current XI is simply not good enough. Hopefully they will be better if they are not dinged up.
    (and we really did not know the full extent of Kacper's and Torres' injuries last season).

    2. Of course, we have had as misses as hits.
    We have had four "hits" -Blanco, Nikolic, Schweinsteiger and, perhaps, Shaqiri. However, even I think the jury is still out on Shaqiri being a hit as a DP.
    Accam was decent, as were Beric (first year) and Rios (but he was not around long enough to matter).
    Some of our "misses" have been legendary (Castillo, Fernandez, Puppo, Anangono, Gilberto, etc.)
    Most have been "misses" but not legendary misses (Ljungberg, Maloney, Kennedy, Aliseda, etc.)

    3. We signed Torres PRIOR to last season. Not sure why you would bring him up in the context of the "marketplace."
    He was signed on February 19, 2022, but just did not join the team until May.

    4. If we do make a monster signing, who is not an over 30 declining international, waiting until Summer is acceptable. If we have a monster signing who is a big name, we need that player now.
     
    bunge and goldclover repped this.
  21. Mac97

    Mac97 Member+

    Jul 15, 2014
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
  22. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    #1198 overlap_old_coach, Jan 27, 2023
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2023
    My opinion is the DP has to be a striker, and we should be patient to find one that will fit stylistically with and "unlock" Shaqiri. The fit is more important than being a big name or timing. To the "don't wait for a unicorn", it's a balance...you can't wait wait wait and then bring them in for 10games. Something has to be done that delivers 1500+min and 15goals to be considered a good signing.

    One U22 slot should be a striker, and signed by the first homegame.
    One TAM should be "Gressel-like" LB, and signed before the first window closes.
    Anything remaining to fill/spend would be held for opportunities that may come during the season.
     
    schroncar and xtomx repped this.
  23. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Point is there are high quality players that will not be able to arrive until after their current season...regardless of when we learn about the deal
     
  24. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    If we’re stuck on six defenders let’s play a 4-2-4!
     
    xtomx repped this.

Share This Page