Completely agree. I’m sick of the talk around Messi, great as he is. They’re very dislikeable and always play acting. Anecdotally, I work with a Mexican, who says that they are really disliked in LatAm and S.America particularly within Mexico and Brazil. The BBC and Lineker especially are more supportive of them than England.
I dunno but I would hope that our players don’t resort to shithousery like this! No wonder the Dutch were pissed.
Yeah, I’ve always been taught to be gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Obviously the Argentinians have a different theory.
I can’t Imagine they would. A lot are teamates/ex teammates (Kane/Dier with Lioris, Trippier and Greizmann, Mount and Giroud, Rashford/Maguire/Shaw with Varane,) I can’t imagine the French doing so either as this current squad is nits that overly arrogant.
Tonight was the fourth penalty shootout of the World Cup - a joint record with six matches to go. A fifth shootout would be unprecedented,
Prescient. 🧮 - Biggest knockout surprises in #WorldCup history1. Bulgaria🇧🇬 2-1 🇩🇪Germany 1994 (30.0%) 2. CROATIA🇭🇷 1-1 (4-2 on pens) 🇧🇷BRAZIL 2022 (30.3%)3. Brazil🇧🇷 0-1 🇦🇷Argentina 1990 (31.1%)4. Switzerland🇨🇭 4-2 🇩🇪Germany 1938 (31.2%)5. Chile 🇨🇱 2-1 Soviet Union 1962 (32.1%)— Gracenote Live (@GracenoteLive) December 9, 2022 I'd say the Netherlands are decent. Not as bad but I recall John Stones turning to the Colombia players at the last World Cup. Deschamps has won the World Cup and Nations League with France. Runners up at the European Championship. Lifted the French League & Cup with Marseille. Also coached Juventus. Perhaps his most impressive managerial feat was getting Monaco to the Champions League final. I'm not anti-Southgate but his record is not even close.
Yeah, I think your right, I think Stones did do that but like you say in isolation plus remember not being keen on that also to be honest. I think Stones lost it due to the Columbians kicking our players off the park in that game and they resorted to all sorts of shenanigans. Quite interesting how people see games with very different views. Listening to the Argentinians after the game, they had the view they were hard done to and the free kicks just outside their area were never a free kicks. I mean they were obvious free kicks in my opinion and I also thought most of the soft decisions went their way too plus they were lucky not to get a red card also but I do agree that the ref was bad for both teams. Come on Emiliano, tell us how you really feel? pic.twitter.com/4P6JglDqZ7— HLTCO (@HLTCO) December 10, 2022 If this was in England he would probably get a one match ban for this but I’m guessing FIFA won’t punish him in any way?
The Mexican fans were singing a song about the Falklands being English earlier in the tournament. It will be weird if we get through to the final and play Argentina as they have a massive rivalry with us because of the Falkands whilst I'd bet most of our players have never even heard of the place. As a broader point it seems difficult for our players to get hyped up over a sense of grievance like you see with Croatia and the South American sides. Argentina were fuming about Van Gaal. It's hard to know if this is a positive or a negative thing. Messi also said that the ref needs to be looked at. No doubt nothing will happen to him. It looks like FIFA and many others want him to win the World Cup.
On the flip side we could never have a coach speaking the way Van Gaal has been doing. It would create 100x the amount of grievance. Would be too draining. He even said before their QF that it was great news that Brazil had gone out. That would have been twisted into grievance by the Croats.