End of 2022 Off Season Thread

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by griffin1108, Oct 10, 2022.

  1. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    All cool languages have only implied vowels...
     
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  2. QuietSide

    QuietSide Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    Bogert says the deal for Klich is all but done.

     
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  3. QuietSide

    QuietSide Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    One thing I will give the team credit for right now is they seem to be making their moves and signing people now.

    The past several years (decade?) we have waited all the way until the end of January / early February to do anything and then the team basically had no preseason together.
     
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  4. Section 107

    Section 107 Member+

    DCU
    United States
    Jul 18, 2018
    There is basically no league limit on the number of international players a team may have. The league has enough international roster slots that averages out to 8 per team but teams may trade the slots at will so one team could trade 5 to another team which could then have 13. There are some tweaks for teams from the 51st state.
     
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  5. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure what you're talking about here. The world market is absolutely how MLS teams build winners. As much as teams like Philly and Dallas use their academies to great effect, MLS teams aren't getting over the top without players brought in from overseas.
     
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  6. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How do we let Atlanta do this!!!

     
  7. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Since when? I thought you could have 3 DPs (New Jersey/New York/Los Angeles need not abide), and 4 or 5 Non-Green card holders...
     
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  8. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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  9. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Each team (well, most every, a couple traded away spots permanently when that could be done) starts with 8 international slots. DPs don't automatically take an international spot, as some DPs are American (like Darlington Nagbe or Jesus Ferreira) and some have green cards (like Carlos Vela). Teams can trade players or allocation money for more international spots.
     
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  10. QuietSide

    QuietSide Member

    Oct 18, 2002
    The MLS roster rules have been very transparent for several years and are posted on the league website.

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/about/roster-rules-and-regulations

    The relevant paragraph regarding international slots:

    In 2022, a total of 224 international roster slots are divided among the 28 clubs. These roster slots are tradable, in full season increments, such that some clubs may have more than eight and some clubs may have less than eight during any given season. With trades, there is no limit on the number of international roster slots on each club's roster.

    An interesting wrinkle for this year:

    In addition to the International Roster Slots, each Canadian Club will be permitted to designate up to three (3) International Players who have been under contract with MLS and registered with one or more Canadian clubs for at least one year who will not count toward the club’s International Roster Slots. In order to be eligible, the International Player must have met the contract and registration requirement by the Roster Compliance date (Feb. 25, 2022 at 8 p.m. ET).

    So, depending on how their roster is constructed, a Canadian team may find the international spots to be of less value (since they have another avenue to have the player on their roster).
     
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  11. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    FYP
     
  13. Section 107

    Section 107 Member+

    DCU
    United States
    Jul 18, 2018
    Exactly what Pr0ner and Quietside pointed out - international roster spots are separate from DP spots. You can think of it this way: International spot is based the player's immigration status, DP spot is based on how much the player is paid.

    It's been this way for quite a few years.
     
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  14. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Ok so explain to me why someone like Djeffal is a challenge to keep on a roster? He holds an international spot but according to y'all, that doesn't matter. He isn't a number ten but is a solid central midfield.

    Of course DP and International spots are different because there are DPs that have green cards or are US citizens.

    To me, someone like Najar or the Roldans are journeymen. They are solid players but not masters like Etcheverry or Moreno or Bale or Vela. Arriola is a great example of a top journeyman that may be close but in reality doesn't make the top player list.

    MLS rosters are full of these players. To make a top team, you need the extra spice of a Bale or Vela or the dude from Portland..

    Chara is a solid player but he isn't going to win you MLS Cup. Dax McCarty isn't the dude taking you over the line but without him, your team isn't making it. These are solid journeymen players.
     
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  15. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Valeri in Portland (IIRC) was the guy I thought about...
     
  16. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No one has said being an international doesn't matter. But here's the thing. There's no limit to how many international spots a team can acquire, but they cost allocation money to get. Do you want to spend $200k+ in allocation money for an extra international spot to keep Djeffal around? Is he worth it? The team likely didn't pick up Kimarni Smith's option for the same reason.

    Let's look at it this way. On DC's roster right now, all of Romo, Jeahze, Palsson, Morrison, Rodriguez, Samake, Robertha, Fountas, and Benteke all take international spots. If the team signs Klich, that's 10 internationals. And they may be looking at more. While they can bury Samake in Loudoun or sell Romo or hope Robertha gets a green card, they'll likely need more international spots. Spending $200k GAM on a spot for Taxi Fountas is one thing. Spending $200k GAM on a spot for Sofiane Djeffal is something entirely different.

    Also you didn't initially realize DPs and international slots are two different things when you first said "I thought you could have 3 DPs and 4-5 Non-Green Card holders".
     
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  17. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    You can read that statement however you like to make you right.

    As for the internationals, you made exactly the point I was making. They cost money and sure you can have any number, if you try to build an entire roster on that, you are spending a lot of Garber bucks, which means when those guys get injured by a nasty foul from some hack defender, your back up is going to be quite low quality. MLS rosters rules aren't like European or South American or Middle Eastern or Chinese teams where there is no cap on total salary (where applicable vis-a-vis the DP rules and spending Garber Bucks on reducing salary burden).

    I'm not sure why you believe my suggestion that you need a team of solid players with some stars in key areas to be successful is so strange. It is literally what teams from across the World do because they cannot afford a Zlatan or Giovinco or Bale or Chicharito at every position. In MLS, this is exacerbated because of the salary and player acquisition rules.
     
  18. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dude. I don't have to read your first statement in a way that isn't there. You clearly said you thought the rules were 3 DPs and 4-5 players who weren't green card holders. Multiple people told you it's something else.

    Also your original comment, even before your wrong understanding of MLS international player rules, was this: "While it is great to have a world market to secure players, this isn't how people win MLS.". Your whole original premise was that the world market IS NOT NEEDED to win in MLS.
     
  19. revelation

    revelation Member+

    Dec 17, 1998
    FC St. Pauli
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Again, you can read what you want to read. Cheers.
     
  20. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Something…something…Jesus.
     
  21. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    [​IMG]
     
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  22. SoccerMullet

    SoccerMullet Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jul 23, 2022
    What about Kaplan's favorite category - Supplementary Player Allocation Money - SPAM. We lead the league in SPAM players.
     
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  23. Section 107

    Section 107 Member+

    DCU
    United States
    Jul 18, 2018
    or his philosophy on player management: M.U.C.U.S. (manage under cap w/ unlimited suckitude)
     
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  24. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Kaplan? I thought he was into test prep?
     
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  25. GumbyG

    GumbyG Member+

    DC United
    Mar 22, 2007
    Chesapeake, VA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Loudoun can't be just a bunch of U-20s running around. Not sure why we didn't keep him to strengthen the spine of that team. Better for everyone involved.

    Unless of course Loudoun is actually a black hole of.... oh.
     

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