Next Coach

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Great minds think a like.

    But my point with posting it was again that I don't think Brazil was eliminated because their coach didn't get the best our of the team. I just think for all of Brazil's attacking talent they just lack something for me in character. Almost too much arrogance.

    One of the reasons I like this Argentine team is I feel they really have a good mix of skill and toughness.

    To go along with that I think the US lacks composure. Players fall asleep at times in defense, let refs control their emotions, lack of awareness on the break.

    That is what we have to fix
     
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  2. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Oh I'd almost say the opposite.

    Berhalter, love him or hate him, has a very rigid idea of how he wants the team to play and has pushed and pushed and pushed the player pool toward that vision.

    Not to say Southgate doesn't have tactical ideas, but the core of what he's doing is securing his stars the psychological freedom to play their game.

    Neither of them is someone you trust to set out the right plan and adjustments for a pressure one-off game.
     
  3. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I'm just preparing for the announcement ,. Christmas or New Years weekend.
     
  4. RedBaron

    RedBaron Member

    Sep 9, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Forget Tite; allowed Neymar…his #1 penalty taker…to watch 4 other guys go before him in a do or die situation just so Neymar could presumably play the role of “hero” with the 5th kick. What a dunce…if you can’t or won’t control a situation as straightforward as that for the good of your team I don’t want your bad judgement anywhere near my national team.
     
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  5. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, they were missing humility. Until Marquinho’s penalty, anyway.
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd just give someone the interim tag again for a period of time, have it preferably be a guy who is a strong scout w/ familiarity of the pool, and have that buy time until we build up established depth, plus there's a more attractive manager that becomes free.

    Pep's contract expires in 6 months and he's expressed interest. It would also give us a chance to see what materializes with Marsch at Leeds. They would have time to prepare for the 2024 Copa America, and maybe would arrive early enough to manage the 2023 Gold Cup.

    Who the interim guy would be, I'm not sure. Maybe it could be Mikey Varas, if he's not too busy himself preparing for the u-20 WC.

    Now, I don't think USS will do this. They're overly high on Gregg and seem to not have learned their lessons about managers over 2 cycles. Also, if Gregg went in a different direction, I think they'd want to fill the spot by the time UNL rolls around, because they do value that and the GC more than I. But haste makes waste, as they say. They'll likely sign whichever manager they perceive to be the best option that's available in the next couple months. At most have an interim for Jan. camp, which could be fun if that guys a good scout like mentioned.
     
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  7. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    I love Pep but when the heck has had to develop a 9 or create an offensive game plan? He's had the best players in the world and when he's been lacking he's been able to buy the best. Why does anyone think he can do what he's done at the club level with US team? Damn, he's had the best 9s in the world the last 15 years, Messi, Lewandowski, Aguero, Haaland. I'd say he knows how to take the best players and make them even better. That's not us by a long shot.
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You said you love him, even if he may not have proven the best manager in the world. I'd prefer Klopp or maybe a few others, if I had the pick of the litter. But they in all likelihood wouldn't come available and be interested like Pep.

    At mid cycle, we could get to the point where the roster/lineup practically picks itself. And I'm confident the 9's will materialize by 2026 given the plethora of options. If this plays out like I expect, I feel like Pep is one of the managers I can trust putting together a functional enough offensive setup, gameplan, & adjustments to contend at home in the WC. If we aren't as far enough along as we hoped, maybe Marsch, who knows the pool well to continue mining it, would be the best call.
     
  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well Pep has also done well without a good 9, as he's very much into playing a false 9 too.

    Pep's the real deal. All you have to look at Man City's record before Pep under current ownership and during Pep. There is a very clear difference, and it's not as if previous coaches didn't have the same financial backing.

    It's not as if the next coach is going to be the one developing the 9, that's going to happen at the club level. It's going to be their job to identify the best 9 and build the best system that fits our overall talent pool. The question with Pep is what kind of system would he put together when he doesn't have the option of going to buy a player where there's a position of weakness.

    The guy is a good enough coach that I think he'd figure it out. I'm certainly not as down on Berhalter as others on this board, but I have no doubt that Pep would put together a much better tactical plan that Berhalter would. I think Pep would also be very good at dual national recruiting just by the nature of who he is. And I don't know if he'd be as strong as Berhalter on the building a culture part of things, but I don't think he'd be a negative in that regard either.

    The next coach won't be Pep either though as I don't think he's quite finished at Man City yet and who knows if he's interested. But if he wanted to come you hire him immediately as long as you can make the salary numbers work (as he gets paid like 25 million a year currently or something crazy like that).
     
  10. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except Pep has spent almost a billion dollars trying to find the right set a players for his system only to fall short in Champions League.
     
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  11. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They were in the final two years and went out in the semis last year in a game in which they were unfortunate. You can't read too much into the results of individual knockout games. It's the year after year of being in a position to win that's important.

    It's also not as if he hasn't won the Champions League.
     
  12. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Wait, if you can't read too much into the results of individual knockout games should we therefore not read too much into our loss to Netherlands?
     
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  13. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    LOL.

    Just goes to show that the "Tactical Manager" has absolutely not idea what any tactics are.

    Yep, Brazil sat back. That's exactly what they did.

    I can't believe anyone listens to that dude.
     
  14. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pep lived in NYC for a year with his family before going to Bayern. Spoke highly of his time there. Has been linked to NYCFC and I believe keeps tabs on them.

    Would not at all be surprised to see him coach here either NYC or the NT down the road. Doubt for our WC though.
     
  15. Tony in Quakeland

    Jan 27, 2003
    Pleasant Hill, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Whoever the next coach is and whenever he is announced, whether now, or four years from now, he should be introduced with a dual ceremony:

    his introductory press conference and the simultaneous posting of the first bigsoccer thread demanding he be fired.
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Update: USSF has "real interest in Pep Guardiola"!



    Do we think there's a reasonable chance Pep Guardiola is coming here to coach the USMNT in the next few months, or is it more likely that the USSF is putting out a name that would be close to impossible to get so they can say "We tried to get Pep Guardiola the best coach in the world but we couldn't so that's why we re-signed Gregg Berhalter for $2.5 million a year, because obviously there isn't a GRAND CANYON of coaching options between those two." < thinking emoji >
     
  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  19. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well you know that I personally do not. The goal is to be the type of team that can win the whole thing, but in a knockout tournament the most talented/best team loses all the time. Soccer is a high variance sport.
     
  20. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Out of curiosity, are Pep's outspoken views in support of Catalonian independence problematic for the possibility of him taking over Spain?
     
  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Pep wants to come go get him, but he still has a couple years left on his contract with Man City and he doesn’t seem ready to leave yet.
     
  22. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Das ist interesante
     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #798 xbhaskarx, Dec 10, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2022
    The article...
    Will Gregg Berhalter remain USMNT manager? What the players think, and the ways forward

    The four-year journey to this World Cup wasn’t without mistakes. There are squad selection decisions that will be questioned, both throughout the cycle and in the 26-man team that went to Qatar. In hindsight, Berhalter perhaps should have brought striker Ricardo Pepi or Jordan Pefok over either Ferreira or one of the fullbacks that ended up on the final World Cup squad. Midfielders like Djordje Mihailovic could have similarly added a different, more creative element to the U.S. in Qatar.​

    Are we really going to re-hire a guy (likely with a raise) that got paid $1.3 million a year to make a bunch of mistakes that thousands of casual USMNT fans across BigSoccer, Twitter, friggin Youtube comment sections, etc. etc. could see coming a mile away? No Pepi, taking Ferreira, not even bringing Mihailovic into the MLS camp why exactly, a roster full of right backs... not mentioned is Brandon Vazquez never getting a call up.
     
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  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    The actual sequence is a small portion of the article, and actually not directly from a player. The example also won't be someone you'd expect. I'll post it here.

     
  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    The article is pretty good; I recommend anyone actually reading it rather than reading cherry picked elements.
     

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