Match 57 (QF): NED : ARG - MATEU LAHOZ (ESP)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2022 - Refereeing' started by balu, Dec 7, 2022.

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What do you think of Mateu Lahoz's performance?

Poll closed Dec 10, 2022.
  1. 1 (worst)

    26.4%
  2. 2

    17.0%
  3. 3

    24.5%
  4. 4

    20.8%
  5. 5

    3.8%
  6. 6

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. 7

    3.8%
  8. 8

    1.9%
  9. 9

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. 10 (best)

    1.9%
  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At a macro-level, I would say this is what happens when a world class referee feels afraid to be able to referee the way he likes to.

    Normal Mateu Lahoz maybe sends off Weghorst for the foul right after the Dutch goal.
    Normal Mateu Lahoz definitely sends off Berghuis for follow-on dissent.
    Normal Mateu Lahoz definitely sends off Paredes and if he doesn't get it immediately, he also sends of Van Dijk for his reaction.
    And normal Mateu Lahoz is handing out cards like candy at full-time for all that went on.

    It seems clear he felt compelled to referee differently. And I think that's too bad. I wouldn't mind a 10 v 10 or 10 v 9 match here.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kyle Atkins getting some on-field time after the second half whistle, by the way. Never a good thing (for the referee) when a 5th official accomplishes that on the bingo card.
     
  3. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yikes.
     
  4. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I’m really disappointed because this type of match seems like the exact type that Lahoz would have been great with making everything about him that everyone complains about him doing. He definitely seems to be too afraid to ref how he wants out of fear of what FIFA would think about a WCQF ending with 2-3 RCs
     
  5. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Spanish referees and World Cup Quarterfinals seem to be an unfortunate combination.
     
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  6. BTtotheP

    BTtotheP Member

    Sep 2, 2014
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    I get the unreasonable expectations, but Ivanov was right.
     
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  7. GoneSouth

    GoneSouth Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    A lot of these extra time calls are mystifying
     
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  8. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    How does he wait that long with that many passes and touched to bring it back for a foul?
     
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  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So if Mateu Lahoz wouldn't even pull the trigger on sending Paredes, it's worth asking who would?...

    Rocchi and Cakir come to mind, but they are both retired. Tello and Barton are your best bets from this tournament? Before I saw what I just saw, I would have thought nearly everyone would have done so. But if Mateu Lahoz can eat that card, maybe anyone can.
     
  10. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    107'

    The weirdest advantage I've ever seen.
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's pretending he's in the EPL.
     
  12. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    109'

    Messi kicked in the Achilles and caution plus suspension to Argentina for dissent I guess.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hahahaha. Montiel getting a dissent card. I mean, I am SURE it was warranted in a vacuum. But when you're turning a blind eye to so much else, that's something.
     
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  14. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    I'm no expert on the Laws of Football but have considerable experience in officiating and coaching referees in another sport. I thought this guy could get himself in trouble early on as I felt he pulled the yellow card option too early and often. This can lead to potential problems later in your match where either you continue on and become tha main talking point post match because you ended up having to send players off for relatively minor matters or you just start to ignore things where you lose control of the game. There have been a few blow ups now and basically the players are ignoring his attempts at discipline during these incidents. I'm reading some posts here and listening to commentators that say he is normally pretty tough with the cards. To be honest I don't think this guy is up to World Cup standard. I'm not even sure he is up to professional standard. He definitely hasn't performed well in this game.

    Edit : I'll add the comment now that he seems very aware of who has a yellow as he hands cards like confetti to people who haven't got one yet but ignores things when players already have one.
     
  15. heynowref

    heynowref Member

    Aug 12, 2015
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    I appreciate a card for something that no one else knows what it's for, but in this game? yowza
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that seems like a dive at 111'.

    Really wondering what the end of this is going to look like.
     
  17. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    If true. Very unfortunate and very unfair.
     
  18. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    111'

    I think an NED defender just got run over in his own PA for a no call.

    Now a fair yc for reckless. What's the caution count now?
     
  19. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    How is Argentina even arguing anything at this point. They been given so many gifts. Childish.
     
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  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a horrendous challenge at 112'. When it first went in, I had some concern Mateu Lahoz was going to let it go. At least he's not afraid to give what would appear like a controversial card to some.

    Then a phantom foul at 113' coming out?

    He's just rattled, I think. It's survival mode.
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh and I get the sense, given the dissent and bench behavior, that they might be the ones more likely to make a Uruguay-like scene at the end if they lose. But the Dutch are getting frustrated, too.
     
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  22. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    one of those where you get a running start jumping into the car on the way out of the parking lot!
     
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  23. heynowref

    heynowref Member

    Aug 12, 2015
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Football Connesouoir@KierDoyle 4m

    Look, if you view the referee as the arbiter of truth and keeper of law in the match, sure, Lahoz is a disaster. But if the referee is really the arbiter of the spectacle, Lahoz is Picasso or Rembrandt.
     
  24. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Rattled is a good word for it. He is a referee who wears his heart on his sleeve, you can see emotion in his body language. And right now the body language is showing everything bad. He looks sad, dejected.
     
  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One guy blasted the ball at his opponents and didn't hit them. The other--the biggest guy on the field--ran 30-40 yards and barged into his opponent.

    In no way am excusing the initial behavior. But I also don't see how 10 v 10 would be very unfortunate or very unfair there. If you want to say one is a 10 on a red card scale and the other is 8.5, okay. I can see debate about nuance. But they were both in the red card zone.
     

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