Match 58 (QF): CRO : BRA - OLIVER (ENG)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2022 - Refereeing' started by balu, Dec 7, 2022.

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What do you think of Oliver's performance?

Poll closed Dec 10, 2022.
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  1. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I didn't like the injury stop--he didn't stop for the Brazilian player until the Croatian player had the ball in open space. (And then Neymer got away with being a complete twit on the DB, which pushed the DB back farther than it should have been--how many times did he tell Neymar to get back? What was that, the old "oh, but I'll kick it back!" that has been gone for years now?)
     
  2. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Yes buttttt I think studs to the face would be easily accepted. Referee/potential VAR would not be the story on that one.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To most neutrals, yes. On the field? I am pretty sure Oliver is glad he didn't have to test your hypothesis.
     
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  4. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    44 into 45'

    AR1 gives an offside which looked level or onside from the angle on TV. I think Donovan calling it a "Big Miss" is correct on the gravity of the decision, although the decision is probably tight from the ARs perspective.
     
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  5. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have to remind myself how bad these games can get and how much all the little things that are done on the field (non KMI foul selection, presence, conversation with players, etc) keep these games calm. Left alone (or with a lower standard referee) a lot of these matches could turn into absolute nightmares and I keep reminding myself how good these guys are to keep them from turning into that.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given what you expect now from most EPL ARs, I actually agreed it was a poor miss, if that's his implication.
     
  7. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    I have little tolerance for affirmative misses, if you're going to be wrong, be wrong the other way. I was just saying that I think the amount he was on. Might have be impaced by leaning.

    That said, it pretty hard to defend.
     
  8. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Dr. Joe is just awful. He is clueless as to what is going on. Unbearable. How did he get this job?
     
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  9. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Surprised the handling wasn't given
     
  10. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
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    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    He's so wrong on so many levels.
     
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  11. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Somehow Dr Joe getting worse at explaining. ???
     
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  12. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Trying to see WHICH offside they were calling it from. I didn't see one in the original build up. Not in the case of that potential HB. But no replay so can't be sure I guess
     
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  13. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    47'

    I could write a book about this sequence.

    End of the day, since the handball wasn't deliberate and wasn't judged a position that had to be an offense, it wasn't a play, and therefore it was a deflection leading to a delayed Offside decision.

    I think it was correct In the end.

    Crazy stuff.

    The order of replay showed also added to confusion.
     
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  14. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    He was a fIFa MaTcH cOmIsSiOnEr
     
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  15. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Don't forget, his Phd is in Recreation/Leisure Studies.
     
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  16. USSF REF

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    From the service immediately preceding the ball hitting the hand.

    I actually would have to go back to see if the, position of offside judgment was correct or not but my first impression was that it was just offside position but really close.
     
  17. Midwest Ref

    Midwest Ref Member

    Jul 25, 2002
    Folks, we need to get over our preferences about what we think works or not in terms of jersey colors. FIFA designates what colors to wear for everyone involved.
     
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  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, where was the offside decision on the handball check? AR1 went all the way back up to the top of the penalty area to indicate it was there, which is also where Oliver insisted the restart take place.

    If there was an offside that early, it actually would negate any handball decision (because Neymar would be challenging). So, like a broken clock, Dr. Joe would technically be right.

    That said, I'm very suspicious of an offside decision there. Did we get a good replay?

    And finally, that's not a punishable handball regardless. But that might be the least interesting part of this play.
     
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  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just saw the replay. AR1 absolutely butchered that. I have no idea what he was calling.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #45 MassachusettsRef, Dec 9, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 9, 2022
    The replay is 47:39 on the game clock for those who can go look now.

    Neymar is is 3-4 yards onside.

    If he's calling the subsequent phase of play, the left flanking attacker from Brazil is A) 4 yards behind the ball and B) the ball comes off a Croatia defender (the hand) anyway.

    This might be one of the worst offside calls I've seen at a WC since 1990. Please, someone help me figure this out.

    EDIT: one big gigantic NEVERMIND!
     
  21. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    This. Look at attacker furthest left. Then ball hits hand (not deliberate, so can't be a deliberate play) leads to the offside which then gets delayed. 20221209_111752.jpg
     
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  22. USSF REF

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    Neymar never touched to reset the play. The service hits to Croatian arm. Then you see Neymar appeal for handball. That ball goes to the osp attacker next.
     
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  23. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A bit soft on that Neymar foul... But Brazil is going to Brazil...
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what you're saying is it's one of the best offside calls I've ever seen.

    Man, I Dr. Joe'd it!
     
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  25. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    68'

    Well, the replay site made this look like a soft YC, but live action, I got the impression of a late hack not playing the ball.
     

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