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  1. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    When I rate defenders I employ Franco Barasi, Japp Stam, Paolo Maldini and Denis Irwin for a comparison check. Ain't many that make the grade! :coffee:
     
  2. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    San Carlos, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Project Mayhem was the September 2001 game against Honduras. I think I went to the September 2000 game against Guatemala. It was a long time ago. I think I would remember being at the Honduras game (which we lost), so I think it was the Guatemala game (which we won).
     
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  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Don't forget the stingray that successfully defended itself from Steve Irwin. Krikey!
     
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  4. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
    Club:
    OSP Lechia Gdansk
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    didnt Boca get himself a nickname like ‘Broke-a-legna’? Or something like it, by breaking someone’s leg early in his Fulham career?
     
  5. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
    Club:
    OSP Lechia Gdansk
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I’m pretty sure it was the Guatemala game
    I remember meeting up at the some Irish Bar on Capitol Hill and singing ‘who the hell is Guatemala’ (Glory, Glory, Alleluia)
    Man, were all the non soccer patrons freaked out!


    But we’re breaking the first rule of Project Mayhem …
     
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  6. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2606 soccernutter, Dec 8, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2022
    See my earlier post.
    From the early 1970s on, there were professional/semi-professional leagues in the big 4 (not sure about Spain) countries. In fact, there was an English player who played fully professional in Italy for a season (1971 - Sue Lopez) and was likely the best player for the 1970 version of the WC. But the organizers of the 1971 tournament banned all professional players and she didn't play.

    Yes.

    edit - What might be myth is that Europe was not all that different than the US in the late 1960s/early 1970s. The same movement which led to Title IX here got women's soccer recognized in most places in Europe. But in the 1990s, the top leagues were in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.

    Relative to the women's game, I agree with you.
    Relative to the US Men, they did have to go through much more.
    I'm assuming you had this convo in the USWNT forum?
     
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  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You can stop right there.
     
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  8. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    Bethesda, Md
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2609 charlie15, Dec 8, 2022
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    Those comments were garbage and ridiculous.
    "DCU and fire fans do have an inflated sense of their favorite players. Unfortunately, a faded past of their clubs is all they have to lean on. DCU fans will swear that pope was the sh!t, but he never played outside MLS. Since his time, there have been several who have accomplished more at the club and international level than Pope did."
    " his "interest from some European clubs" sounds like that imaginary "Canadian girlfriend" nerds used to tell us about back in high school" (Google is your friend, by the way).
    Finally, I wrote this " perhaps the best defender US soccer has produced the last 25 yrs". That means in my view he may have been the best if not among the best.
     
  10. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    Eddie Pope reminded me of Baresi a lot actually.

    Obviously Pope was nowhere near as talented or influential. But in the way that he seemed to read the game, he made defending look effortless. Neither of them ever needed to make a dramatic game-saving tackle because they'd snuffed out the opportunity long before it had ever gotten that serious.

    You can put this ol' DC United fan in the camp of people who thinks Eddie Pope was the best central defender this country has ever produced.
     
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  11. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    #2611 Khan, Dec 8, 2022
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    As I said, no one is insulting you, nor is anyone insulting Pope. You try to show your internet muscles over trivial shyte, and on top of it, you did move the posts from:

    "Best Defender in the past 25 years," to
    "I meant Central Defender," to
    "Yeah, but 'Pope's era's was so different than a guy who started his career 4 years later."

    So what? Did Pope actually play anywhere else?

    You made the claim, so its common courtesy to back your claim. Pope may have had "interest" from European clubs, but did he have:
    An offer,
    Accept the offer,
    Integrate into a foreign league/team/culture, and
    Finally prosper at a higher level than MLS,

    or

    Did he stay comfortably at home?

    (BTW, who won MLS Defender of the Year more, Bocanegra, or Pope?)

    You made the claim, then you moved the posts.

    You could have backed your claim, but you went to ground instead. When I showed you a few off the top of my head examples of players that were better, instead of backing your claims.

    I gave you the courtesy of answering your question about who could be better, with examples.

    You're still a decent dude and a decent poster, but work on that.
     
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  12. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
    On the road
    Thats a fair opinion, but as I was sharing with my pal @charlie15,

    Bocanegra had more caps internationally,
    Captained the USMNT more,
    Won MLS ROY,
    Won MLS Defender of the Year Twice, and
    Played at a higher club level.

    Pope played on the best sides of your favorite club, and what else? (Not insulting any one, I'm asking to be convinced.)

    The majority of the evidence between the two favors Bocanegra.

    Now, since their day, I believe that there have been better players than either of the two. As US fans, we should hope this is the case.

    Best of their era those two, for sure. But best of all time? I doubt it.
     
  13. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    That was always my take on Eddie. We had all these hard men at center back who came flying in with slide tackles at the last moment. Then there was Eddie, just kinda always in right place, looking calm. No need to do a Jay DeMerit if you read the play right from the start. I also remember him being a good distributor for a center back, although there I might be overstating the fact. (I really liked our center backs for this Cup. They played like Eddie Pope.)

    As for Boca, I was attending a lot of Fire games when the FIre had him. I never rated him with Eddie Pope. I think that Eddie would have been a better EPL player, had he been given the chance.
     
  14. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Argentina would be awesome at women’s soccer, but all our best female athletes play other sports
     
  15. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    If she had played soccer I'da watched! :inlove:

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  16. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Bayern München
    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
    Club:
    FC Sankt Pauli
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    [​IMG]
     
  17. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Marco Etcheverry got the assist for that by never passing him the ball. I remember the first DCU game we went to, my wife was yelling, "Run, little boy!"
     
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  18. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 5, 2000
    Woodbridge, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Took my son to a team autograph session, and Convey couldn't even be bothered to acknowledge the kids even while signing their gear.

    Nick Rimando, OTOH, was awesome. Even if he hadn't been a great GK, I'd be a lifelong fan for how he interacted with young fans.
     
  19. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I remember Sabatini. I think she won a couple of French Opens.
     
  20. marek

    marek Member+

    Lechia Gdańsk
    Jun 27, 2000
    Club:
    OSP Lechia Gdansk
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
  21. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    If only he had listened when his mama told him to look both ways when using a crosswalk! :oops:

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  22. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    I dunno but everywhere I looked it said Balboa was #1. :)
     
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  23. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
    Club:
    Los Angeles Sol
    Nat'l Team:
    Philippines
    Eddie Pope is the best defender we've had since Marcelo Balboa. Glad I could settle this.
     
  24. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Well...when Tom Dooley got the news he hung down his head and cried! :notworthy:
     
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  25. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    He's probably a much better match commentator than Balboa.
     
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