Match 53 (R16): JPN : CRO - ELFATH (USA)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2022 - Refereeing' started by balu, Dec 3, 2022.

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What do you think of Elfath's performance?

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  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly.
     
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  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Guess not. Would have been an OFR for (clear) interfering with opponent.
     
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  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There we go. The defenders foot saved us from another arm vs arm call.
     
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  4. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Wow! And he was right by a few threads of a sleeve. Sheesh.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's worth noting that would look more offside than not offside, given the movement of players. So worth noting it's good from Parker. Because awarding that goal via VAR would have looked a lot uglier than it being given after a check.
     
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  6. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Well done to end the 1H like that.

    Couple technical mistakes but personality and strong assistant referees providing for smooth game.
     
  7. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    aaannnddd the commentators. We NEED this technology! How can the naked eye see that!!!

    It didn't, we just played on and it was really no big deal. They ACTUALLY think that those millimeters they can tell by offside now is actually in line with the law that was created to stop "Unfair" advantages from a player being in an offside position.

    Can't see the forest for the trees....
     
  8. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Given the timing of the flag and whistle at the same moment Atkins definitely called it on the mic first. Perfectly executed.
     
  9. Mi3ke

    Mi3ke Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    New Mexico
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the G, the JPN player on the nearside, coming back onside, wasn't helping AR see the offside line clearly.

    Cheers, Mi3ke
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't say definitely. Don't put it past Elfath to tell Atkins he was giving it and that he wanted confirmation. But good teammwork either way.
     
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good no call. Shut down dissent very effectively too.
     
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  12. BlueNosedRef

    BlueNosedRef Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    53' - Beautiful non-handling call. Al Marri, are you watching?
     
  13. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did not clearly see the incident in 51’ but his management was excellent

    Croatian players accepted his decision quickly and without much fuss
     
  14. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    52'

    No penalty given. He does a good job to cool the protest and sell it.

    He had a choice there to double down on the Ronaldo call and instead he decided maybe that wasn't the road ti go down again.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like he got the first really competitive KO game.
     
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  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Huh?
     
  17. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Get ready for an exciting 30 minutes.
     
  18. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    He could have decided to go for the gray area decision, but he didn't. We didn't like the first one, this one would have been worse but could have also been "defensible" with the little bit of jersey hold and leg contact.

    Anyway, glad he didn't.
     
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  19. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    I don’t disagree overall but kicking Ronaldo who goes down and some Croatian player getting held and going down are quite different decisions.
     
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  20. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    I am really enjoying this match. I think the set up by Elfath in the first half has this thing playing in a very entertaining fashion. I was woried on a couple passes he took early, but the players accepted and adjusted and SO FAR it's working.
     
  21. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Yes. Different.

    But, I'm talking about gray area choices.
     
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  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay. I mean I think a leg challenge at speed when the attacker in possession of the ball goes to ground is fundamentally different than these aerial balls where the attacker who can't get on the end of the ball goes to ground. But more importantly, I think, I reject the implication that Elfath thought his previous decision was "grey" AND/OR that he would be thinking about it at all here.

    Your use of "double down" is what felt tone deaf to me, because it could imply a lot of negative things to non-referees. I think we just seem to look at things a lot differently here, but we both think the no-call is proper so it doesn't matter much in the end.
     
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll let it go with this, but even "choices" over "decisions" sounds really odd to me. At least when talking about KMIs.
     
  24. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    You mean the US vs. Netherlands wasn't competitive? I thought if Pulisic scored that goal the US wins per the great analysis fo Alexi Lalas, Clint Dempsey and Landon Donovan.

    By the way the Guardian had a scathing take down of FOX'S coverage at this World Cup.

    It's been terrible. I don't mind the "ra-ra, go go USA" (it is after all a US network) to an extent. But it's all they have.

    Maybe it's just bias, with their playing pedigree and accents, but Henry and Carragher on CBS during the CL coverage are just so much better than any US pundit.

    They need a little bit of that with a nuanced international presence instead of Piers Morgan.
     
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  25. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    Club:
    --other--
    On a more global note, 5th game of the KO and so far we've basically had 10 teams trying to play good soccer. Very little of playing for the calls and/orj injustices.
     
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