BSI The Podcast, now called Soccer Soup Podcast, I think it was in the Maurice Edu episode, but I'll need to go back and check.
2008 Olympics talk starts around minute 20 of the season 2 episode 7. The talk about the lineup issues and trashing of McBride starts around minute 35.
I thought it was more of a trashing of the decision to bring McBride and bench Jozy and not McBride himself. I thought they praised McBride as smart, true professional and a great guy, but man that decision has to be right up there with not bringing Donovan, and dumping Harkes, as 3 of the most bone-headed decisions of US rosters. Harkes I at lease could logically understand but then again....
Great post. I still think that if we get invited to Copa America in 2024, then Reyna, Musah, and Pepi should all go to the Copa instead of Olympics. Better prep for 2026 World Cup. Konrad, Scally, Tillman, and Hoppe might also come to the Copa if they are the A-team by then. That would open up a few spots on the Olympic team.
It was both. I do think at least one of them, probably Edu was trying to make a point of mentioning that McBride was both, a bad match in terms of style of play (guys that could play one touch, and build up chances, versus an old school cross it to the target man approach) and coming off an injury riddled season where he'd basically been out from August through January in terms of injury. All true, but they were also talking about him shooting w/his shins in drills, and Feilhaber was pretty ruthless in his criticism (a theme in the whole interview is how Feilhaber's inability to mince words probably hurt his career). From the interview it's clear that they, or at least Feilhaber, felt Nowak was a complete clown, and really harmed what could have been a great team run at the time. Worth noting that nobody ever mentions Stuart Holden's grand mal stupidity foul that lead to the literal last second game saving goal for the Netherlands on Matchday 2 of the group stage, which was the real killer for that team, but that's a separate argument. Anyway, I definitely felt that some of them, Feilhaber in particular, were trashing the McBride of that camp, but that all of them, including Feilhaber, respected the hell out of his accomplishments for the USMNT 1996-2006. The problem was, he was 36 and no longer relevant by the time of that olympics, it was well beyond idiotic to have him come over as an over 23 player when we already had at least 2 and possibly 3 legit strikers on the roster and, again, HE WAS 36 and his prime was literally 8 years in the past. So beyond stupid to call him in, let alone make him a part of a roster and even worse to start him. He was a trooper, miss him a ton, but come on, 36, and missed half of the '07-'08 season to injury on top of it. Crazy, and they knew it, unfortunately neither Bob, nor Nowak seemed to know that.
This may or may not have been because the next year was spent debating whether or not walls should jump. It's kind of funny, though I guess not funny ha ha, that that Netherlands goal was scored by their own more or less over-the-hill guy, who probably few here can name, and who was a couple seasons away from playing in Australia.
Not to nitpick but I think McBride’s prime was from 27/28- 32/33. He was a real late bloomer. When he was young he just couldn’t score. MLS saved him and gave us a really good player. Without MLS starting who knows what happens to him. He was not tearing it up in B2 Germany. The Olympics. Yeah. To old.
Johnny scores on a lovely header off of a corner. Continues his run of good form for Inter. Looks more physical, ball secure and decision making has improved from last season. Should be a key player for the Olympic team.— Marcus Chairez (@chai_asc) August 29, 2022
Could someone tell me for at home tracking purposes, what is the date cutoff for this event? When is the last date someone could turn 23 in order to be eligible? I know there is 3 overage spots as well.
Hey... an MLS fan trying to convince everyone how great the league is. This might be the stupidest one i have every seen.. Not to nitpick, is it a coincidence that Mcbride didn't hit his prime until at least a couple loans to England. Pretty interesting how young is being defined here. Apparently young is the year he was 22. Before 22, McBride tore it up in HS, College, and the A-league. The first season in a very poor MLS he scored 19 goals in 31 appearances. So this guy wants us to be thankful that the league enticed him to leave the 2e Bund in May of 1995 to come back a league that is well below 2nd division standards when it start up almost a year later was what saved McBride? Is there anything in Mcbrides history that suggests he couldn't have stayed and fought it out? I'd bet if MLS hadn't started, McBride would have started scoring goals in Germany before the 1996 MLS season started. Even if MLS was some magical gift for Mcbrides game, I think tanking the rest of the guys careers was multiples worse. I see the strategy remains to just continually lie about how good the league is.
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According to the wiki (aside from France which is the host nation) the US and DR are the only two teams we know will be in the Olympics. Pretty strange that we played our U20/U23 Tourney as early. But since the Olympics is at the end of July thru early August it is my hope that we will be well represented. But there is still no official INTL window. June thru July is a long window for the Euros but nothing specific to the Olympics. I really think if we brought our very best U23 squad that we would threaten to get to the semi-finals. Especially if Pepi is at striker.
Barring a change, the official Olympics website says the roster will be 18 players again (for the Tokyo Olympics, the roster increased to 22 shortly before the tournament but that seemed to be a different situation) Historically, it has always been 18 and it sounds like it will be 18 again per the official site. https://olympics.com/en/news/pathway-to-paris-football-qualification-system-explained "In the men's tournament, athletes born on or after 1 January 2001 (aged 23 at the time of Paris 2024) are eligible to play in the qualifiers and competition matches of the upcoming Games. However, three (3) footballers born before the mentioned date, above the age limit, can be included in the squad list (18 players per team)."
I know the Olympics are an Under 23 tournament but does that mean players who will be 23 at finals will be eligible or what is the cutoff date? If so, will whomever is coach , pick any current senior USMNT players? FW Giovanni Reyna November 13, 2002 (age 20) Borussia Dortmund MF Yunus Musah November 29, 2002 (age 20) Valencia FW Jesús Ferreira December 24, 2000 (age 21) FC Dallas DF Joe Scally December 31, 2002 (age 19) Borussia Mönchengladbach
The tournament is for players born no earlier than Jan. 1, 2001, plus some over-age guest players if desired.
Therefore, these guys will all be eligible.... FW Giovanni Reyna November 13, 2002 (age 20) Borussia Dortmund MF Yunus Musah November 29, 2002 (age 20) Valencia DF Joe Scally December 31, 2002 (age 19) Borussia Mönchengladbach Too bad Jesús Ferreira December 24, 2000 (age 21) will have missed out by a 8 days.
I do think there will be overage players. Which ones will depend on clubs and whether we make it into the Copa America 2024. If we do I assume that tournament will take precedent even with U23s like Reyna and Musah. In that scenario we’d probably be filling the gaps with MLS guys like Zimmerman and Acosta. If we don’t get into the Copa America I assume they’ll try for the best overage players clubs will release. So they’ll ask for Pulisic, Adams, etc but they aren’t likely to get released.
Guessing you're new around here. We've been posting lists of players eligible for the 2024 Olympics since at least the mid-'70s.
Yes I know. I really didn't feel like sifting through the threads.. As I posted in the Next Coach thread, one thing I'd like to see whether there is a new coach or not is that the US federation strongly consider playing in the Copa America once again. I understand the crowded schedule etc but as the US player pool is quite large and many players playing abroad, I’m sure you can have two full teams. Although it didn’t help the 2016-17-18 WC qualifying cycle, I don’t see how playing in a tournament like that won’t help players development or experience of a given national team for the for the future.
LOL. You are literally posting in the U23 roster thread! Your sifting process seems to have worked just fine. But, to be clear, I was having fun with this forum and our endless capacity for list-making, not making fun of you.
There are a whole host of issues involving the Copa America that people need to understand. First, the USMNT would be a GUEST TEAM at the Copa America. Guest teams have certain restrictions that other teams in the tournament don't have. The biggest restriction is that clubs are NOT required to released players for guest team tournaments. The Copa America Centenario was a one-off where this restriction was lifted. That is not the case for a standard Copa America. The 2024 Copa America will take place in June. European teams are not going to want to release players if they don't have to. Pulisic, McKennie, Dest, Musah, Adams, Aaronson are extremely unlikely to be released. Mexico usually participates in the CA with a domestic team (one year it was further restricted to a U-22 team). But Liga MX is in the offseason in June. MLS is in midseason in June and its clubs aren't going to want to release key players for a month during midseason (especially when some are going to be released for the Olympics that summer). So where are the players going to come from? U.S. Soccer doesn't want to send a team to the CA that is non-competitive.
Initially, on the West coast, it was real early in the morning and I was half asleep so I didn't want to look through the thread or threads. No big deal though. I understand it could be a problem with the MLS players as the Copa America is played through their season. The starting 11 against Iran though all play abroad and there were only 2-3 MLS players I think coming from the bench. If you look at the current squad as well as the recent call-ups, there are a lot of European based players on the USMNT. As a matter of fact, I think more play abroad than in MLS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_men's_national_soccer_team#Current_squad As for clubs releasing players, I doubt the European teams will have a huge problem releasing them. Juventus already wants McKennie out and he is on the transfer block come January or June 2023 . Pulisic is on the bench at Chelsea and not really a protagonist. Other players are on the cusp of starting on many teams so playing in a CA tournament would actually help players development in the long run. I'm sure most club coaches recognize this. I believe the cohesion that will be created within a core group of players, say 7-8 starters would outweigh the other problems in the end and the USSSF should strongly consider it.
I think European teams would be more reluctant to voluntarily release players. They want the players to rest for a few weeks in June and then report to preseason. This is why Wolfsburg didn't even release Kevin Paredes to the U-20s this past summer. If Euro clubs don't have to release starter or key sub players for things they don't have to, they won't. It risks injury and overuse. The USMNT needs real non-CONCACAF games, I get it. Real change needs to be bold and needs to be made at much higher level than the USMNT (some ideas: bring back the Confederations Cup, advocate for a global Nations League, lift U-23 restrictions on the Olympics, or have the USMNT/Canada/Mexico leave CONCACAF and join Conmebol). I actually favor the last as a bold initiative even if it makes WC qualifying harder (although still very possible with a 48-team WC). Being a "guest team" at the CA makes it very, very difficult to get anything productive done. I don't see the benefit of scrambling to find players, running out a bunch of 4th stringers, and getting blown out at the CA. If they do it, fine. But it's not going to accomplish a lot. It's going to take something "big picture" to create anything meaningful for the USMNT in between World Cups.