Looking Forward to 2026

Discussion in 'Mexico National Team' started by Hecho en Chivas, Nov 30, 2022.

  1. Q.Q.

    Q.Q. Member

    Jan 25, 2008
    Antarctica
    He was hired to improve and get the most out of the talent he had available.

    Of course Mexico would be better if our squad consisted of players in Champions League teams. But then we wouldn't be looking to just get "El Quinto partido"; a third rate coach like Osorio wouldn't have opportunity to coach us at that point.

    There have been less talented teams than Mexico who have reached "El Quinto partido".

    Both the players and ESPECIALLY the coaches have failed to perform.

    I see people pining for better players(faster, more physical, better technique). I'm all for it.

    But how about we start meeting up to our current potential & expectations.

    No we don't need all our players to play in Europe to reach the 5th game. It's just the 5th game ffs!

    (Don't confuse this for me saying that I don't want our players to move to Europe.)
     
  2. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    We don't have good Mexican coaches.
     
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  3. Q.Q.

    Q.Q. Member

    Jan 25, 2008
    Antarctica
    You are not wrong.

    That doesn't mean getting a random foreign coach is the better option. IMO

    At least the Mexican coach will get dumped if things start going bad.

    Look at what happened with Sven, Osorio, Tata.

    Tata had us hobbling and playing his boring ass football all the way to the WC. There was no media outcry; compare it to when we were playing Chepo-ball. We lost multiple finals; again no media pressure.

    Again not opposed to a foreign coach if the jump in quality is enough.
     
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  4. Thecoach101

    Thecoach101 Member

    None
    Mexico
    Mar 27, 2021
    We do have some good coaches, but they are not sexy enough for the fans or the media. Herrera is a good coach, Lozano is a good young coach with room to grow, Ambriz is also a good proven coach. Tena, Vucetich, Memo Vasquez I think are also good coaches. All those coaches could have done the same or better job than Tata on the Mexican National team. Sure you can tell about all their failures, but even Bielsa, who is highly respected around the world has had his failures. The reason we don't have more coaches is because they are not given the same opportunities and the same "leash" as foreign coaches. I remember when teams led by mostly Mexican coaches and Mexican players played Libertadores they had a lost of success, yet towards the last participationes with more foreign players and coaches our success was diminishing.

    Whoever the coach is, it will not matter if we do reduce the foreign players spots per team and really focus on player development like we were from 2005 to 2012. We also need new investors new owner to eliminate the multi propiedad, bring back a national cup, where teams can use some of their young players in competitive matches, etc...
     
  5. la fresa

    la fresa Member+

    Oct 31, 2005
    texas
    Club:
    Serbian White Eagles
    Performance for a coach is decision making, subs, etc and I would argue that what caca aguirre did over two world cups is worse than tata, first losing to the US then fumbling what was likely the best group of players Mexico will ever have: you had Marquez winning a champions league, Pardo winning titles in Germany, a young Ochoa, Chicha who had just signed to Manchester United when they were good and pretty much single handedly taking chivas to a libertadores final, a still good salcido and Osorio, Barrera who was on fire, Juarez, a young Gio and Vela, and he goes and plays midget conejo, an injured guille, old Blanco, Bofo lmfao etc. and what’s worse is he never admits he was wrong, he just uses the excuse ‘I didn’t have enough time to think about if Ochoa was better than conejo so it wasn’t fair to me’ which he answered something like 8 years later.

    I feel as though a lot of Mexican and Argentine coaches are so insecure on the inside, there’s always some ego problem where they have to make themselves feel better as a human by casting away a player, aguirre with pardo over two world cups, lavolpe with cuah, tata with everyone, even Vucetich in liga mx had corona playing in the reserves didn’t he? Then there was chepo who had the team turn on him because of being rat over partying, if I remember correctly Herrera was also toying with the idea of not taking any euro players to 2014. There’s too much daddy issues going on there with these coaches, while I would prefer a Mexican coach too it seems the last truly good Mexican coach was Lapuente.
     
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  6. Athazagoraphobia

    Jul 28, 2012
    Vancouver
    Club:
    CF Atlas Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    There’s only one right answer: Guillermo Almada.

    Knows Mexican football
    Wins
    Plays the youth
    Isn’t bothered with the jerarquía
    Is a great motivator
    Has already expressed his interest in coaching the NT
     
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  7. NCCFBALL

    NCCFBALL Member+

    Apr 19, 2007
    ITALY
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Was watching a youtube video and Osorio said he would accept to be the coach again. I'm not saying I want him, so don't take it that way. I'm asking here, is there any value there?
     
  8. NCCFBALL

    NCCFBALL Member+

    Apr 19, 2007
    ITALY
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I don't think this is possible as CONMEBOL has 10 nations, so everyone is playing at the same time. In Europe you have teams that aren't playing on a given qualification date
     
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  9. Eila

    Eila Member+

    Jan 13, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    No way, his career has gone downhill since. Same with Herrera, but at a least he's not completely stupid with the rotation bullshit.
     
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  10. NCCFBALL

    NCCFBALL Member+

    Apr 19, 2007
    ITALY
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I will say we need to all move on from Herrera. He isn't the guy for Mexico, plain and simple
     
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  11. Handsome Solo

    Handsome Solo Member+

    Mar 24, 2011
    Las Vegas
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Unless Osorio has changed, I don’t like him as a NT coach but he would be a drastic improvement tactics-wise over Tata. I really do like Osorio’s tactical flexibility which I think we sorely lacked for the last 2 years or so but his player formations/placements are weird sometimes and I think he makes some weird decisions
     
  12. Handsome Solo

    Handsome Solo Member+

    Mar 24, 2011
    Las Vegas
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    everything about Mexican football is stuck 10 years behind
     
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  13. Handsome Solo

    Handsome Solo Member+

    Mar 24, 2011
    Las Vegas
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    we are not making it to the quarterfinals with a mostly Liga MX (especially with Liga MX) based squad anymore. The game has changed and 90% of the world’s best players and football is practiced in Europe now. Every other league in the world seems to have figured this out except Liga MX

    J-League and K-League are developing players and moving them to Europe ASAP themselves. Liga MX needs to catch up or the NT is going to fall far behind the likes of even Canada
     
  14. Handsome Solo

    Handsome Solo Member+

    Mar 24, 2011
    Las Vegas
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I think there’s good Mexican coaches tbf. Ambriz I think is solid and I hope he makes another go at Europe but outside of Ambriz there’s really no one else. Fentanes just started and I really do hope Jimmy, Efra and Rafa the best in Europe because we need new coaching badly
     
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  15. NCCFBALL

    NCCFBALL Member+

    Apr 19, 2007
    ITALY
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    All media blows, but Mexican media is the worst in sports. I mean we lost almost a week ago and on landing page of espndeportes one of their top stories is still about HH and Funes going to saltbae restaurant afterwards, wtf
     
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  16. Eila

    Eila Member+

    Jan 13, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    Don't see why not. He was teary eyed when he was giving analysis for the Argentina - Mexico match. We need someone who actually gives a shit, something we really lacked over the last 4 years. But his career post Mexico has been too iffy. He's been a coach for 20 years and has only won 2 titles, lsat in 2018. La Volpe tier stats.
     
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  17. markd132

    markd132 Member

    Tigres
    Mexico
    Jan 11, 2022
    This the problem is that they are stubborn and refuse to renovate their style and get obsolet pretty fast clubs have their reasons to not trust in them anymore
     
  18. superm

    superm Member+

    Jun 8, 2013
    #93 superm, Dec 6, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2022
    Herrera was teary eyed after he watched the Mexico-Argentina match and I was teary eyed after watching him have talent like Vela, Chicharito, Peralta, Jimenez, Gio, Guardado, Herrera, and knowing he barely beat a Costa Rica team due to a penalty and how he almost lost to a 10 man Panama team in the gold cup of 2015 if not for a penalty kick. No thank you.
     
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  19. DaTruth

    DaTruth Member+

    Jul 15, 2007
    IE, Cali
    and don't forget Jona Dos Santos who was getting minutes in Barcelona. But you might be right about these coaches being insecure.
     
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  20. DaTruth

    DaTruth Member+

    Jul 15, 2007
    IE, Cali
    we need to push for more mexicans to start in clubs, specially young guns. I don't even know if we had an 18-21 year old on the squad!!
     
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  21. Sanchito

    Sanchito Member+

    Jul 15, 2005
    an island in my mind
    Every team in the quinto partido is loaded with players who play in Europe.

    It's as simple as this:

     
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  22. markd132

    markd132 Member

    Tigres
    Mexico
    Jan 11, 2022

    :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: grupo pachico the future of the national team screwing another carreer
     
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  23. TitanCrush7

    TitanCrush7 Red Card

    Nov 26, 2022
    That Costa Rica team was nearly in the semifinales in Brazil and Panama was athletic asf bunkering for dear life the whole...let's be real..

    I understand he's not the right guy because he's not a taction but let's be fair for a bit regarding his record...
     
  24. El Verde

    El Verde Member+

    Oct 15, 2013
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Herrera got no further than any other manager.
     
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  25. TitanCrush7

    TitanCrush7 Red Card

    Nov 26, 2022
    Cause Vela turned his back on us...
     

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