Bundesliga 2022/23 - 27 EURO finalists play in the best league in Europe

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by Lohmann, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    #876 Batfink, Dec 4, 2022
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    In a unique scenario typically only witnessed for the sports most effective offensive players, or highly unique offensive talents, Freiburg's young coach has decided to provide Minge all the protection necessary to contribute towards the teams success as a goal scoring box to box CM; not a CAM.

    No assists, not great at producing tackles, lacking progressive passing, or a genuine ability to dribble past opponents, Minge now afforded the freedom by her coach to contribute one major factor her team, while others players expected to cover for what she's missing. (Felde as Freiburg's DM, has made the most tackles in the league this season..o_O)

    I still don't see how Minge's style would be successfully integrated within the tactical scenarios of MVT's high press, high energy wnt, competing against mid-field players all capable of providing what she does, and then much, much, more..... but I've said for a while Freiburg has some individuals who could easily play for stronger teams, so lets see what a 23yo Minge can do from this point moving forward.
     
  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Frankfurt's has an average age of 25 now, but look no closer to competing with Wolfsburg anytime soon. And it makes me wonder... with Bayern about to go through another round of recruitments and departures, is it time for Frankfurt to rejuvenate their team too..?

    It's starting to feel like this current group have reached their end point now, with a host of players seriously needing to move on before we witness their full potential. If I identify Nüsken, and Küver, as the two who HAVE to move on to UWCL teams, I feel like Freigang, Prašnikar, and Dunst, all at their limit with their development within this club too.

    Frankfurt possessing a host of talented youth prospects ready to see more 1st team football, and a coach in need of a tactical evolution, watching Wolfsburg cruise to victory Vs a 2nd place rival, featured all the signs of their opponents team reaching a clear end point in progress this season...:unsure:
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Oh... and I feel like everyone aware Wolfsburg's 2022/23 season not defined by winning the league again, but instead how far they go in the UWCL. I personally feel like their performance Vs Frankfurt still missing them demonstrating key factors you'd typically expect to see in a genuine UWCL contenders...:unsure:

    So their next game Vs Roma another chance for Stroot to get his team in a position to showcase their true potential. But if we still see him forcing Pajor and Popp in to the same starting 11 now... I'd begin to worry this becomes an distraction that will persist deep into the 2nd half of the season too...:cautious:
     
  4. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    She played 2. Bundesliga with Sindelfingen but changed to coaching with 22 years.
     
  5. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Missed penalties by Köln and Esseno_O

    Leverkusen - Potsdam 3:0(1:0)
    Kögel(23), Senß(59), Fuso(82)


    Meppen - Köln 1:0(0:0)
    Kardesler(87)


    Essen - Bremen 0:0




    2.Bundesliga
    Sand - Leipzig 0:2
    Potsdam II - Bayern II 1:2
    Gütersloh - Hoffenheim II 0:2
    Freiburg II - Wolfsburg II 0:1
    Frankfurt II - Andernach 1:2
    Nürnberg - Ingolstadt 3:0
     
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  6. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    what was the reason given for Koln’s red? The nine month to recover from an ACL theory will be put the test if we see Selina Cerci return/or will Koln wait till after winter break to bring her on the field?

    Tie was best solution between for Bremen & Essen the battle to avoid relegation. Essen players have the most potential but you got to love the way bigger crowds that Bremen gets!
     
  7. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Delaying a Meppen free kick.

    New record


    Average (in brackets last season)
    8847 Wolfsburg (1219)
    6504 Frankfurt (1580)
    6110 Bremen (365)
    2905 Freiburg (758)
    2560 Hoffenheim (626)
    2267 Köln (960)
    2195 Bayern (827)
    1647 Essen (835)
    1396 Potsdam (1202)
    1047 Meppen (344/2.Bundesliga)
    890 Leverkusen (333)
    828 Duisburg (327/2.Bundesliga)
     
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  8. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
  9. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    here's the full replay of Bayern vs Hoffenheim. In this one, I feel the HOF coach was being too much of an control freak; due to the FB's Rall & Simon playing up so high, HOF needed to quickly counter up the flanks(it worked so well for Benefica), instead of kicking it back to the GK everytime they got possession of the ball. Then, HOF harboring an underwhelming midfield in Harsch, DeCaigney & Dongus while keeping Hartig & Corley on the bench. So with their mids not matching up well at all, you would of thought they'll play the fast counters & get it overhead to their 3 fwds(which for the most part, they didn't) Bringing in the recovering Buhler at CB(I take it to allow Hagel to move up) was an complete disaster as Bayern ran all over her in their own counters.
    As for Bayern; their riding comfortably for 2nd place as they've now played all 3 top Bundi clubs 'away'. But as mentioned before, the 2nd best squad in the league well may be WOB"s bench!
     
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  10. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    Barca’s already beaten Real in Madrid 4-0 and 4th place SP/league, Athletico 7-0. So Bayern being an good team but lacking an backbone in noticeable subs, can’t compete with the monster’s created by Barca & WOB; these two clubs might well have their respective league’s 2nd best squads on their benches
    Stroot most likely start both Pajor & Popp and keep interchangeably them to central striker. Especially this season, the whole offense is based on getting the closest final shot available, so natural wingers as scoring threats seemed to have fallen to the wayside as most goals been either scored by the striker & CAM;Pajor, Popp, Roord, Blomqvist have scored now 21 league goals compared to wingers Huth Brand Wassmuth Jonsdottir with an combined 5 goals. The combined output by three FB’s & DM’s is only 2 goals.
    Stroot in my book has become very complacent & predictable with his new monster squad. He’s showing it in the Champions League where he’s so far winless against Italian clubs(thus it feels like he can’t figure out their defensive type styles) lackluster scores so far as well against weaklings like St Polten & Stava. Hopefully I’m proven wrong in the 2nd half of group games, otherwise I fear Wolfsburg might be looking at getting upset by CL quarter finals
     
  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    No, it's tactics... it's just called tactics lol, and Hoffenheim's coach simply got his tactical approach wrong for an offensively skewed squad, the club once again not providing enough quality option in CM/defensive roles to execute the tactics he's been known to use Vs stronger opposition.

    To who... who are they supposed to be finding with these passes..? And where are these key players to effectively produce the kinds of progressive passes you'd need to see in order to make this style of play work...?

    These quick transitional plays your talking about, used to happen all the time with Lattwein, and then Hagel, being at the heart of Hoffenheim's mid-field. But without these individuals in their team, who else can do it...?
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    @hotjam2 I mean, your also conveniently ignoring how bad Krumbiegel was (once again) on the right side of Hoffenheim's front 3, having to try and compete with a strong progressive passing LB like Simon, who was basically allowed to run riot in this match without any challenge.

    During a game where carrying passengers really not an option for Hoffenheim, they couldn't press Bayern high, couldn't defend in a low block either, resulting in them appearing devoid of offensive threat for most of the game, without Hickelsberger, Corely, Hartig, all starting, or having Hagel being within her most effective role.
     
  13. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    But look back at the tactical factors that's seen Hoffenheim able ascend up the league, and eventually reach the highs of being able to compete alongside Europe's best; and then think how none of that was on show vs Bayern lol.

    Alongside Hoffenheim's inability to recruit/internally promote new CB options, it's all become pretty ridiculous expecting anything better this season; where poor squad depth finally starting to negatively effect a teams previous strengths (no longer dominating mid-field battles, or able to unleash it's dynamic forwards)

    Still possessing a talented core of players though, Hoffenheim could be a very exciting team... next season lol. But for this season, introducing some of their strong junior internationals could help (and potentially be very smart...:cautious:), while the club's head of recruitment use the time to finally address the the glaring holes in their team where new mature options needed.
     
  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    By you, you mentioned this lol...:rolleyes: But yes... it's well known that Wolfsburg have a stronger squad this season; but looking at their 1st teams performances, it's honestly hard to notice if this improved depth has had any positive effect towards improving the overall quality of team...:unsure:

    Wolfsburg's start to last season horrible, where we'd see them improve over the course of the season, I don't think Stroot's new ability to rotate his key players has allowed his team to come close to matching the highs witnessed last season. I mean... just look at the goals they scored last season facing Frankfurt with Bremer as the #9...


    Seriously... if Stroot can't get a stronger Wolfsburg side to beat Roma at home in a definitive fashion, we might need to start re-evaluating how strong Wolfsburg really are with Stroot this season.
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Barca aren't the undefeatable machine everyone thinks them to be... and especially not this season, where they happen to be missing their best/most important player.

    And I wasn't even expecting Bayern to beat Barca, but at a minimum expecting Bayern to at least be something more than a attack Vs defense training session for Barca lol. Poor in their first 4 UWCL games with their new coach, I initially felt he was just struggling similar to how Stroot would early last season... but the more I see, the worse I believe this will eventually become...:cautious:
     
  16. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    At home to Barca now, I'm at a point I suspect it might be even worse than it was in the first match...:(. Their coach having no intention of acknowledging that his new team is German at it's core, built on the pro's and cons of German football.

    He's praising Barca's women for being distinctly part of their clubs overall football identity, but seems to be doing everything to remove Bayern's women from the established strengths of their own clubs/national identity...:confused:
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    This seems like such a weird self inflicted handicap lol. Two players who spend a lot of time recovery from injury, are now needlessly being forced into the same starting 11, making the team overall less effective/efficient... and you can only ask, why...?
     
  18. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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    Brand, Huth, SJJ, have never been about scoring goals as wide players lol. Their entire style playing out wide, focused around creating via crossing (Huth), producing key passes (Brand), or direct dribbling (SJJ).

    Waßmuth the only player in this discussion who's been an effective 10+ goal scoring wide player, and she only did that once within Hoffemheim's 4-3-3, where she was allowed to remain really high positionality within that teams attack (less defensive responsibility)

    Your talking like historically Wolfsburg's wide players meant to score like forwards, when that's never been the case for any team using a 4-2-3-1, and not for a club where Hansen couldn't even pass 10 league goals during a season she'd somehow amass an insane 27 assists for the team...:speechless:
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Don't let those 2 final scores this season blind you from genuine improvements witnessed in Wolfsburg style...:coffee:. Last season Wolfsburg were in a tougher group, but facing Servette wouldn't demonstrate the impressive level of control they did over St Polten.

    It's just the Roma match where this would completely fall apart without Oberdorf in the team. Using Popp as a CM no longer a realistic option for a strong team expecting to compete among the top table of this sport. Opposing CM's are all far too good now, to not completely expose such decisions.

    Which is why I'm waiting to see how different this could look with Oberdorf in her key DM/CM role...:cautious:
     
  20. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    the most frustrating thing about Wolfsburg right now is that they’ve arguably got the best 4-some combo wingers in the world today—-club or national team!!!—yet Stroot nixes one starting winger position in order to start both Pajor/Popp.

    and with the central striker(so important since Stroot’s whole offense is basically getting it to that player) it’s hard to pick who should start; Pajor is overall the most refined, but sometimes lacks confidence(as she commonly flops in the big games) Popp is the opposite; very aggressive & usually saves her best for major matches. Yet missing was last year’s temp striker, Wassmuth, who not only led the Champions League in scoring. but contributed as well with her strong pressing. And sadly to see Bremer(still only 26 years old) reduced to either 4th or even 5th string.’/at one time she looked like she has the potential to be the most dangerous striker in the world!(if you go by her 2014 u20 WC performance)

    so, yeah, very frustrating to say the least—that Stroot not using the best out of that awesome firepower that’s currently available to him
     
  21. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Hmmmm, it depends on the personal definition of winger, as more and more teams deploy wide forwards to function within a front 3 system. But if we're talking about traditional wingers... you might be correct in suggesting Wolfsburg currently home to at least 3-4 of the women's games best.

    So yeah... it's making it harder, and harder, to understand why Stroot continues to waste all of them. Even Huth struggling this season, when she's previously been the leagues best for consistently topping the assists charts; still within a Wolfsburg side leading the current charts in producing the most crosses, but now Rauch beating Huth for key passes, and assists lol...:confused:
     
  22. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Or Stroot finally realizes he can just rotate between both of his main strikers...
    [​IMG]
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    This is a genuine positive factor people will often ignore about Waßmuth's game, but the test she faces now, the very reason good players continue testing themselves at stronger teams. As it's within stronger club teams, we see the desire to start regularly will typically force players to either perform well, or drop to the bench.

    Even if last season a strong one individually for Waßmuth, it did come with her facing little competition to push her to improve. And as much as I believe Waßmuth a strong player, she definitely needs to improve key aspects of her game at club level, if she's honestly hopes to compete for more match time within the wnt...:whistling:
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    I honestly believe Bremer's run of bad injuries, would have occurred regardless of what I'm about to say... but yeah, I still can't help but feel like a teenage Bremer's decision to leave Germany so early, negatively effected her long term career options...:cautious:

    Once a really dynamic world class forward in her teens, instead of taking a few more years to develop her game within the Bundesliga, she would move to Lyon and almost instantly be converted into a attacking FB...:confused:, then start to be left out of various major tournaments for the wnt.

    And this happened knowing young versions of elite young forwards like Hegerberg, Miedema, Pajor, would all develop parts of their game within the Bundesliga; it always felt like a really poor decision by Bremer to remove herself from the conditions that would have prepared her to excel with a future move abroad.
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The way I'd describe Wolfsburg right now, is a side making it all work through pure brute force lol. They always appear to be doing just enough to win, and nothing more lol.

    While everyone praising Pajor, or Popp for scoring goals, I don't think the important mid-field trio of Oberdorf, Roord, Lattwein, have come close to reproducing, or improving on last seasons peak form. While Oberdorf in particular, almost appearing to be strolling through her matches with little effort right now.

    I honestly wonder if this simply a scenario where Wolfsburg decides to come to life during the 2nd half of the season....:cautious:
     

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