Agreed. I'm not tech savvy enough to create a video clip and there doesn't seem to be one floating around twitter, but it's a classic "I don't care if you got the ball or didn't mean it" situation.
Here is my problem with not stopping it here. If the Ref does not blow the whistle, where is that ball going to get crossed into? Not too far from where that player is down on the ground. Now you have people running in and through that space which would lead to more potential problems. And that player on the ground is at risk. What if he is down because he had the wind knocked out of him, and now the cross comes in and he gets stepped on and now has a broken bone. That is not a good spot to be in as a ref. BUT, I do see the flip side of every defender getting "injured" when the attack is coming into their penalty area. So, where is that line?
Another thing to consider here - the college game is still very much about participation and safety. I know I attend a number of NISOA and ECSR clinics, and every single one of those clinics/calls/webinars has some variation of "make sure the players are in class on Monday". Maybe that type of injury doesn't stop the game in a pro or even a high amateur game, but I'd imagine collegiate referee crews wouldn't get dinged too badly on a post-game assessment.
Congrats to @coreyrock on his center assignment for last night’s Women’s College Cup semifinal between North Carolina and Florida State! Still strange to see him in the center after always seeing him on the line for so many MLS and international matches.
He walked by me twice during the 2nd game but my family would have flipped if I said anything to him so I kept quiet. Did a hell of a job and at one point in the second half had a full on 18 to midfield sprint. He was movin!
Hey, thanks so much! There was serious talent on that field.. lots of future NWSL players! Great way to end the season. And I always welcome the chance to say hello, so please do so next time! I may even have a card to give you
Anybody got a foul on UCLA on the tying goal in the College Cup final? The NC ‘keeper gets pushed into the back of the goal. Yes, she wasn’t assertive enough, but still she is clearly impeded. https://www.ncaa.com/video/soccer-w...swered-goals-remarkable-championship-comeback Play in question begins around 1:40.
We watched that about 5 times at home last night. The referee's position would not allow a clear view of it. AR2 had people in front as well. Definitely contact but right on the line. The NC goalie had a tough one all night. Kept trying to catch the ball in high traffic instead of punching.
If I would have been paying attention as to who you were my kids would have been all over you with questions about the MLS Cup Final. Watched from the field at Subaru Park. We are a UNION house. As a long time sports official I very rarely get worked up about a game. I did over that one. Tough loss for the Union. Your crew did a great job in that game.
Don't disagree with you about what the keeper 'should do', but there was no opportunity to get to the ball. Now, about the ref's position, UCLA corners and set pieces in the second half were nearly all run to be right in the keeper's face, essentially trying to rugby the ball across the line. UCLA played some great balls in, as well. Almost had to be assured that this was going to be the play run and eyes should have been laser focused on that area. Ideally, if this were a USSF-type game where its my watch, and not the stadium clock, I'd be having words into that area about playing the ball, giving warning that this is where I am watching close. Now with the stadium clock at :20 seconds left, you don't have that luxury, you are just trying to get a good position for the oncoming chaos.
Does NCAA try to get female centers/female crews/any female referees at all onto the women’s playoff games like NWSL does? Not trying to point out gender or anything but I feel a little disappointed when I see top women’s games being officiated by men which it looks like the ucla and whatever one Corey officiated were. Heck, I feel disappointed when the youth girls ECNL games in my area never get female centers and barely even get female ARs
They do, and they had one last night. This weekend was complicated by the fact that one of the US Soccer National Referee Camps was the same weekend.
I put this one on USSF. The College Cup event dates are known years in advance, and they are just about always on the same weekends every year (first full weekend in December for the women and the following weekend for the men). I fully realize USSF, NCAA, and NISOA are three separate organizations, but you would think USSF would look at schedules, think "hey, it would be a good idea for our female national referees to have a chance to work these important and televised matches", and schedule their national referee camp on a different weekend. (I know that the same thing would hold true for the male referees and the men's College Cup. The national referee camp shouldn't be held on either College Cup weekend). Or, hold the camp where the College Cup is held so these referees could do both. Again, the sites are known years in advance.
This comment raises another question for me: in the same vein as the “female referees on top female college games” question, does the reverse hold for men’s top college games? Do female referees ever/regularly get assigned to top male college games, or do they try to stick only men on those games? I don’t mean for any of these questions about female refs (as I had questions about frappart as well) to come off as sexist. It’s just that the whole female referee dynamic is very interesting to me since in my experience there are so few of them and I don’t follow top assignments to know how they distribute them. It would really be interesting to know how the different leagues and confederations try to assign them on what types of games
The barrier to more women working men's D1 matches is the requirement that an official work a certain number of matches at that level during the regular season. Many assignors still do not put women on men's matches, so it is hard for some of them to get the number of games needed to be eligible for working playoff games.
Is it clearly a foul and did she get shoved into the back of the net? Here’s an angle from behind the goal (the 2nd video).The keeper went up and tried to grab the ball out of the air instead of punching it. Her momentum, not from being “shoved,” carried her into her teammate, behind her, and knocked the teammate over. goalkeeper wasn’t fouled at all. UCLA player had legal positioning in front of her. Then the gk jumped back knocking her own teammate over. pic.twitter.com/BlQa2uDXD7— the scarlet psylocke (@marvelnut) December 6, 2022
Watch the keepers right arm — she can’t jump because the opposing player is sneakily holding it down. Foul.
My thoughts on this play. There is contact between the UCLA player and the keeper, but much of it is initiated by the keeper as they post up/jostle for position before the kick comes in. The goalkeeper came forward too early and overran the ball, causing her to flail at it helplessly as it went over her head and into the net. I do not see a clear pushing or holding action by the forward. This is a problem of the goalkeeper's own making. UCLA played many corner kicks into the 6 yard area precisely because the keeper was not convinving in how she dealt with crosses. I think if you do the old Evans/Bellion US Soccer offside instruction from the early 90s (if the hand of God removed this player from the field, would it still be a goal) the answer would be yes. This is on the goalkeeper, not the referee.
I can’t see any way you call that a foul on the keeper. It’s jostling for position like always happens on a corner , and given the mass of players there’s no way any ref is going to see any nuanced foul in my opinion. I don’t see anyone holding down anyone’s arm, the keeper just jumps up flailing at a ball way over her head. If you think that’s a foul, then just stop a corner before taken and tell attacking players to stay away from the keeper completely
What authority do you have to tell players to stay away from the GK? They are entitled to be there if they want. All you can properly tell them is that you are watching and if they interfere with the GK you’re ready to call a foul.
yeah that. And, as I pointed out above it was chaos at that moment. :20 seconds remaining on a clock that you are not controlling (unless you take the extraordinary steps to do it so only to lecture the players). There was no time for you to just step in there and insert your 'personality'