PBP: United States vs Netherlands; 12/02; 10am ET

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by AutoPenalti, Dec 3, 2022.

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Who wins?

Poll closed Dec 3, 2022.
  1. USA

    100.0%
  2. Netherlands

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. dams

    dams Member+

    United States
    Dec 22, 2018
    Yeah, there is a time and place for MMA IMO, the England game for instance but to have it as the only option for every opponent is nuts, for multiple reasons.
     
  2. onelessstar

    onelessstar Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    Oh geez.
    What's your point exactly? He didn't do well enough on either.
     
  3. Shiznizzle

    Shiznizzle Member

    Feb 10, 2009
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My thought on areas of improvement are that we need to definitely add a Striker and they need to be at another level than our pool currently. Hopefully we find that with a younger player before the next Cup. Two, we need to improve our shooting from outside the box. Three, our crosses need to be better and Four our coach needs to use his bench more in the early rounds. Our fitness needs to improve but our guys looked gassed out there. Berhalter could have used his backups against Iran and that would have helped today.
     
  4. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2 for 27 on crosses!!!!

    doesnt matter who the striker is if you cant give him the ball
     
  5. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's your point? Your example was when he did something uncharacteristic, 3 months into his offseason. That's a skewed, tiny sample, that's telling it's not some kind of habit.

    And it didn't apply in this case. He didn't cover his net that time or two in the Canada. Here, the Dutch players just clinically struck it far post. No keeper could have gotten across to those. Credit to the Dutch for their technique and discredit to the defense/midfield for TO's and lack of picking players up to stop them from getting those shots off.
     
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  6. IVO !

    IVO ! Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    RIO AND CHICAGO
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    TEAM USA fought hard and never gave up. Pulisic missing clear chance first couple minutes could have made the match more interesting.
    Horrible defending especially third goal, these players need to learn how to mark. USA needs a new more tactical coach.
    Question: Serginho, is he Brazilian or from
    Brazilian parents ? The name, and he plays exactly like a Brazuka.
     
  7. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York
    He's Dutch, from the Ajax academy, who's played for Ajax, Barcelona, and now AC Milan. And, frankly, they just didn't have enough in their legs anymore. We've ridden the starting XI into the ground. If only we were more clinical and had a decent center forward...
     
  8. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
     
  9. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    It’s funny that people think the fact that the rest of the roster sucks is some sort of defense of Gregg. The rest of the roster sucks because of who he chose. He didn’t have to choose a shitty roster beyond about 13 guys. There were better options available. The fact that he was able to still name a crappy roster with three extra spots from our playing pool is quite an accomplishment
     
  10. onelessstar

    onelessstar Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    He got caught ball watching today. Needed to shuffle one yard or two as the ball travelled on the pass. Facts. And I didn't bring it up... just agreed with another's observation. It's not a criticism of Turner, just an observation. There are hundreds of mistakes per game.... he made one.
     
  11. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A sharp, low, one-timed shot to the far post is effectively unsaveable. Facts.
     
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  12. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    What a nonsensical post! Not yours, but the one you quoted. Of course there is always a step down from from your first XI. Doesn’t mean they have to be absolute dogs hit and it doesn’t mean you run your first XI until they literally can give no more.
    Also, it’s true. Gio and Brenden were no better than the ones they replaced. But also they were no worse. You can’t say the same for Yedlin, Jesus, Shaq, Acosta or Haji. I have no idea how other bench options such as Scally or LDLT may have faired but we willl never know. Just as we will never know if uncalled players may or may not have faired.
    Give Berhalter his due for getting us out of the group. But he has achieved nothing more or less than the last three USMNT managers. And this with the most talented pool in our history.
     
  13. onelessstar

    onelessstar Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    The point is his starting point wasn't good.
     
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  14. onelessstar

    onelessstar Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    #1189 onelessstar, Dec 3, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2022
    Starting point
     

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  15. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    You could have run dest Jedi and scally in 2 of the first three games…not lost that much…and have had two players that could have probably given you 90 legit today

    you could have started musah mckennie and Reyna in 2 of 3 and likely has musah ready to give you an effective 90 today.

    you could have rotated Sargent Pefok and Pepi but you didn’t think two of those players warranted spots over guys like Ferreira Wright Moore yedlin or morris

    you could have rotated aaronson and weah

    you had to ride or die with Pulisic ream and Adams because those were the only spots that the pool had nobody close to their level


    We had the depth. We just didn’t bring it…or failed to use what we had.
     
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  16. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd have to go back and look at the game (of which I'm not), but I suspect that they marked Ferreira out of the match to isolate Pulisic. They tried to do the same with Reyna, but he's got far better ball skills and awareness and was able to get away and make himself more valuable more than Ferreira.
     
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  17. KevinJRogers

    KevinJRogers Member

    NYCFC | VfB Stuttgart
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reyna's ball skills are on another level from anyone else on our squad. No knock against Puli (love the guy), but Gio is our most dangerous player. After his second or third touch you could see the Netherlands side really snap-to when he had the ball.

    Ferreira, not so much. He's a decent enough MLS striker, although I'd argue not even an elite one there. But I never had any question the Dutch would handle him easily, and I think neither did they.
     
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  18. shnaggletooth

    shnaggletooth Member+

    Jun 23, 2002
    #1193 shnaggletooth, Dec 3, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 3, 2022
    Even if Pulisic scored, I don't think the outcome would have been any different. Netherlands outclassed us in every way, and being behind a goal at the outset wouldn't have prevented them from quickly taking control and winning, anyway. Just would have looked different, that's all.
     
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  19. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
     
  20. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what I was thinking (and commenting on?) at the time. That said, Turner had a really good game on the whole, and a really good tournament. I think he did more than enough to be our #1 for the foreseeable future. Very happy for him in that regard. And he's a Gooner now, so it's all good. :)
     
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  21. NorthBank

    NorthBank Member+

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lot of people agree with you. But I keep wondering if he'll maintain his fitness to be the amazing driving force that so many see in him. I value Pulisic. Maybe I don't "love" him as much as you perhaps, but I feel like he's been largely quite a reliable asset (and driving force) for our team for years now. Reyna needs to be able to match that kind of consistent contribution for me to get completely on his bandwagon.
     
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  22. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree we were outclassed across the board. NED might have had to play a little more open to try and get to a lead if we scored first which would have helped us but it was always going to be difficult. They had 11 guys who could control the ball and execute when the play was on. If playbwasn’t on, they knew how to defend. NED was just a better team, no doubt.
     
  23. KevinJRogers

    KevinJRogers Member

    NYCFC | VfB Stuttgart
    United States
    Jan 29, 2022
    Clifton Park, N.Y.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is the key. Reyna has to demonstrate some durability. He's just turned 20, so hopefully that will come with him getting stronger and more physically mature.

    I think his physical status may actually be the reason Berhalter used him so sparingly (I've talked about that elsewhere). He's so young; come next cycle, he'll still be short his 24th birthday by a few months. He'll still be one of the younger guys among our core players. No gaffer would want to blow him out now.
     
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  24. Douglas Campbell

    BVB
    United States
    Mar 2, 2018
    I present to you Timothy Weah.
     

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