Post-match: USA v Netherlands Round of 16

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  1. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You have to take into account, we press, that is going to put miles on them legs. The more we play, the earlier we will get tired.
     
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  2. kennytt

    kennytt Member+

    LA teams
    United States
    May 26, 2001
    Westminster, OC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is it Brazilian philosopher?
     
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  3. honest trade

    honest trade Member

    Aug 15, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some of us care more about actual results than moral victories. Making the knockouts is status quo. Eventually we have to take the next step, particularly as talent level increases.
     
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  4. bct81

    bct81 Member+

    multiple (DC United, Dortmund, Arsenal, Leeds....)
    United States
    Mar 17, 2007
    moving around the US every few years ....
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fatigue always exposes weaknesses.

    the men were tired and that affected the match.

    But ……. It is pretty clear (separate from coaching bang bang play in the offensive third) that if we want to truly compete with world powers we need a pool of great strikers. Which we don’t have …

    the first half chance Pulisic had or the late game chance Haji had - Haaland buries it.

    USSF needs to think this through.

    two options:

    1. start seriously finding and training 8 year olds to develop the pool we need.
    2. can a bunch of American woman go try and attract and marry Haaland or Mbappe or Richarlison or Lewandowski so we can find a dual national?

    We need goal scorers
     
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  5. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    You've got tunnel vision.

    We gave up three goals, all on basic, fundamental lack of tracking and marking. We missed 3-4 goals on a complete inability to finish.

    I have no idea how you get from what actually happened in this game to what you are saying.
     
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  7. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The third goal was all on Jedi.
     
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  8. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Maybe with time Gregg will come to agreement on that
     
  9. ArsenalMetro

    ArsenalMetro Member+

    United States
    Aug 5, 2008
    Chicago, IL
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Our strikers aren't irrelevant because of their skill level, they're irrelevant because they're in a system that ignores that position.

    Our output from that role wouldn't change if you put Lewandowski, Benzema, or Haaland there.
     
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  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The big calls GGG had to make for this game were whether to rotate and whether to press high. He decided to press high, but not rotate. Wrong decision, as the heavy legs and delayed reactions demonstrated. Compounding this was that the Dutch have been absolutely deadly on the finish. They've been outshot 47-23 by the 3 decent teams they've faced. It hasn't mattered.

    US---NED
    Possession: 58%---42%
    Shots: 17---11
    Shots on Target: 8---6
    Corners: 5---4

    Some would take this as a moral victory. But as PT Barnum once said, "there's a sucker born every minute."

    This game reminded me of a friendly against Brazil during JK's tenure. The US came out aggressively and generated superior attacking stats. Brazil pole-axed them.
     
  11. usfootball20

    usfootball20 Member+

    May 15, 2012
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’d like to mention Wes because he’s an unpopular player around here. I’m always a bit confused by the rating of him versus Musah. I thought Wes was very bad against Wales, but was overall better in the tournament than Musah. By no means a great performance today, but he tried stuff - big switches, getting in the box, etc. Created the Iran goal. Caused the chaos where Ream almost scored today. Yes, Musah played his heart out and had some nice runs, but honestly a bit underwhelming for me. I feel like a lot of the criticism of MMA leads to people not liking Wes, but it’s both of them not creating enough.
     
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  12. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    Fatigue always plays a major role at this kind of tournament. Teams that can advance to the semis are generally the ones that can sub out half of their field players without dropping their overall level below that of their group stage opponent, and/or can ensure advancement early on and play some reserves in the last group game.

    Right now, that describes the USA in the Gold Cup; definitely not in the World Cup. Might be different in 2026, though.
     
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  13. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chance creation is part of this but still.....awful. CF has been a blackhole under G. His system never made use of it.

     
  14. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Anyone notice that each of the Dutch put a crunching tackle on Pulisic once … and I think only once? Made the contact without risking persistent infringement.
     
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  15. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes and he was exhausted from the way he was asked to play.
     
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  16. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Absolutely was
     
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  17. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    So many of our guys were exhausted.
     
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  18. NGV

    NGV Member+

    Sep 14, 1999
    McKennie was good in the first half against Wales. Whenever he was physically up to speed, he was immense.
     
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  19. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Yes. The fatigue mattered. A lot.

    Gregg getting flogged for it, I can't really get behind it though. We were never in a game state to rest guys. He did get McKennie off at 60 every match.

    I mean I understand the Reyna love, but he was just OK today, and Who knows where he was physically plus how he would have performed in a defend the lead role.

    Did you want more Acosta? Roldan?
     
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  20. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haaland makes his own chances and can hold up and play further back. He, Lewa, and Benzema are world top 11s. They make a difference on any team.
     
  21. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I literally reference fatigue in my post as a possible/probably reason. A little weird we looked more tired in the first half than second. But if that's what you mean, yes.

    Pool selection? I wouldn't have brought Wright but I don't think Pepi or Pefok would have been the difference today. I really don't think there's anyone else out there really relevant.

    I think you are trying to be clever here, but it's really not coming off.

    All I was trying to say was, the Dutch are more talented than us. Even if we played our best, their best likely beats us. But that said, we didn't play our best, and that's a bummer.
     
  22. spot

    spot Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Centennial
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not having the third game be a must win is a big deal too.
     
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  23. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    Go on!
     
  24. RedBaron

    RedBaron Member

    Sep 9, 2001
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    This is where one’s standing at their club matters. It’s great that Pulisic, McKennie and Dest are at Champions League clubs but their fitness suffers and reveals itself in situations like this when they aren’t regularly starting. I’d like to see some of our guys be more sanguine about their club situations and find spots where they can both compete at a high level and start. There is no substitute for playing time.
     
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  25. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In mind opinion,
    GB tried to press with tired players. Rotation of players is must if you are going to always press.
    He reminds me of previous USA coaches that hardly rotated players. Granted, previous teams were weaker. This one, had 14 starters deep to rotate.

    I hope we move GB to be a scouting director or something like that. That is his strength.

    Let someone else coach the team.
     
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