PBP: United States vs Netherlands; 12/02; 10am ET

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by AutoPenalti, Dec 3, 2022.

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Who wins?

Poll closed Dec 3, 2022.
  1. USA

    100.0%
  2. Netherlands

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Generally speaking, yes.

    But the first Dutch goal was completely his fault, as he was jogging back and did not pick up Memphis.
     
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  2. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    True, I have seen a lot of “I’d rather lose 3-1 than…” posts over the years. I guess today’s the day. :p
     
  3. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
    Club:
    Stoke City FC
    Matt said it. We just weren’t up for it.

    Youth
     
  4. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, we need a true Number 9 and some good defensive players. We're not bunkering much anymore now that we got some good midfielders, so we can play better there. He can only do with what he's given.
     
  5. JonFarts

    JonFarts Member

    Jun 4, 2016
    The boys played well all tournament and should be proud. There were some things I felt we could've done better, but ultimately this is about who we are as a team right now. And that's ok.
     
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  6. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Adams really has a cool head on his shoulders. There is a reason he is captain...at 23.
     
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  7. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Did Musah play 90x4?
     
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  8. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Well done USA.

    I thought we had a punchers chance in this game, but we whiffed on our haymaker and they landed one right on the chin that staggered us. We got up off the mat, but we were wobbly the rest of the game.

    The PK on Zim is probably the dagger that did us in. Without the PK we win that game and don't have a win or go home game in the third. The energy expended in the third game, did us in. I think fatigue was the biggest reason we had the uncharacteristic mental errors that got us beat.

    I don't think there is much sense in presenting counterfactuals over subs and player usages. It became a matter of advance at all costs. Sarge getting hurt was devastating, he doesn't score a lot, but he is a key piece of how we want to play, and neither Haji or Jesus are up to this level. We have a lot of the right pieces, get a couple of ball playing CBs, a couple more in-form and healthy midfielders, and a forward in 2026 and things look bright, even if GB is still the coach.

    I think he will be, even if I am not particularly enamored of his philosophy. The bottom line is that the players really do buy into the "vision" of how we want to play. I do not think a second term for national team coaches is a good idea unless you have a del Bosque or a van Gaal, which we don't.
     
  9. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    couple of things:

    -The most criminal part of our game was our complete lack of set piece threat. Its very pronounced. Beyond coaching, beyond admitting Pulisic might not be the primary set piece guy.. Create something.

    -I was honestly left wanting to see more of Aaronson and a few others.. in a WC setting some players rise while others shrink… Seeing Ream do a good account of himself made me want to see the same of others.. Like Beckerman putting his “F’ you world! t-shirt” in ‘14

    -We were not played off the field we competed, we are better still than this showed.
     
  10. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes, bless their hearts
    Estonia
    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Yeah. There is only one reason you see Adams jogging and that is exhaustion.
     
  11. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah you can't run all those miles during a tournament that he did.
     
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  12. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    God, that CP chance looks worse and worse each time I see it... he almost had enough time to take a 2nd touch and still get a shot off. I think he really didn't realize he was on-side and was maybe waiting for the flag to come up... just lacking that killer instinct that better offensive players like Deuce and McBride had...
     
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  13. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we need to give credit to the Dutch… They played a pretty flawless game. They capitalized on their opportunities. We struggle with finishing.

    Over the course of the tournament, I’d love to see a compilation of our failed breakaways and attempted shots that didn’t threaten. If you can’t score, you can’t win.
     
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  14. NorcalHockeyhooligan

    Feb 25, 2012
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This this this, and oh yeah, THIS!
     
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  15. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He’s going to be thinking about that moment the rest of his life…
     
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  16. LordofBrewtown

    Wigan Athletic
    United States
    Nov 19, 2018
    I tend to agree. I think Greg should get some credit in that I do think he really got this team playing well together - they definitely looked like a team/not a group of all-stars. He should also get credit for identifying the MMA midfield early, and making that the spine of the team. Also his pre-game plans were generally good.

    However, I think it could be argued that in some ways we were lucky to advance out of the group. As much as we dominated England, we were lucky to hand on against Wales and Iran. Who knows what Greg's exact instructions were in the 2nd half of those 2 games; but, it sure seemed like he wanted to bunker, and we nearly paid for that. Not getting 3 points against Wales, in particular, really could have cost us.

    Add that to Greg's 'curious' roster construction, and seeming inability to make tactical adjustments during the game/at halftime and make impactful subs, and I'm not sure Greg's the guy.

    Also, as a rule of thumb, I think it's generally bad to stick with a coach for 2 consecutive world cup cycles. Too easy to stick with 'your guys' who have helped in the past. Much easier for a new coach to evaluate who may no longer be in form, or too old, etc.
     
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  17. YankBastard

    YankBastard Na Na Na Na NANANANAAA!

    Jun 18, 2005
    Estados Unidos
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    :laugh:
     
  18. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Haji Wright is going to join Julian Green in the hall of "USMNT players who have scored in a World Cup and never gotten another World Cup call-up"
     
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  19. SteelyTom

    SteelyTom Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Boston, MA USA
    Club:
    Pumas UNAM
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Create the Julian Green Trophy....
     
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  20. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Haji might not get called up for future camps… we will see. But I think in this next cycle we need to look elsewhere.
     
  21. GreedyG

    GreedyG Member

    Dec 9, 2020
    I’m pessimistic about it. I think either way, we’ll have an American coach.
     
  22. Revs in 2010

    Revs in 2010 Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Roanoke, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since 1990, the song has been the same. "We met a more experienced team and they scored their opportunities, and we didn't." I guess Donovan, Deuce and Lexi see that as progress. Please stop blowing sunshine up our butts. We aren't missing a piece or two from beating the #8 team in the world in a big match, we're missing several, and more importantly, we are lacking the attitude that the great teams have.
     
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  23. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    So did Julian Green! But I don't remember if he ever made another appearance in WCQ?
     
  24. JonFarts

    JonFarts Member

    Jun 4, 2016
    I agree that I think he thought he was offside. Which shows the difference between true killers like Ronaldo. Sometimes he'll be soooo far and blatantly offside, but he'll finish the goal because that is how you have to think. You have to play like you are always onside.
     
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  25. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t think he did… Friendlies, yes.
     
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