German Fraulein National Team 2020 & beyond

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by hotjam2, Feb 26, 2020.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    lol, I'm glad they believe this.... as it really doesn't say anything particularly positive for the way the USwnt plays right now lol; facing a ridiculously inexperienced and tactically flawed German team for the 2nd half, yet still needing numerous defensive errors for their forwards to actually become effective...:coffee:

    With close to 60% possession for Germany (normally, this means really bad news for the opponent lol), I feel like if we see MVT keep Lattwein on the field, and change Dallmann with Magull, the second half retains a very different flow in Germany's favor...:cautious:
     
  2. Batfink

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    Attilan
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  3. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    What position though...? Because even with us seeing her play as a young LB/RB for Frankfurt looking very strong, it's only when I saw her playing for the u19's last year as a CB, that I said OK... this is something different...:sneaky:

    I held similar doubts about Gwinn's return to Bayern months prior to the Euro's starting; and boy... was I wrong lol.

    And looking over MVT's squad options, acknowledging the way she wants the wnt to play, having seen someone like Krumbiegel able to function within this system, I'm sure Küver could play a similar role to 2019 Oberdorf, and potentially step in as a missing piece to this teams long term defensive jigsaw.

    Gwinn's the only major long term injury concern now, and MVT seems to believe Gwinn's going to be able to return in time for the WC...:unsure:
     
  4. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Yeah.. Magull saw the big ass USwnt GK rushing towards her, and made ZERO effort on that play lol. But to try and deflect attention from Dallmann's performance, by suggest Magull (her 45 mins, more effective than Dallamann's 90 mins) the main culprit for seeing her team lose... pretty feeble lol.

    Yeah, MVT really left her defense truly exposed in that 2nd half. But If you think Magull was the DM, it honestly showcases how poor Germany's mid-field balance really was lol.

    Take a look at the names and numbers again... where's Magull, where's Hagel...:coffee:
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  5. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    #2255 Batfink, Nov 17, 2022
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    Game... after game... after game, Dallmann remains the least effective mid-fielder on this team. And now your trying to suggest MVT still requires her skill-set to help break down any low block defenses; as if Magull, Marozsan, Lohmann, Lattwein, Däbritz, aren't known to be significantly more skilled in this area of creativity lol.

    It's not even like we haven't already witnessed Dallmann playing against a low block Finland during the Euro's, and guess what... again, Dallmann wasn't impressive lol.

    I mean, if MVT selects Dallmann within her WC 23, it means if all are healthy, at least one/two of Magull, Marozsan, Lohmann, Lattwein, Däbritz, Leupolz, Nüsken, would need to be left out...o_O
     
  6. Batfink

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    #2256 Batfink, Nov 17, 2022
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    @hotjam2 There's no reality where you can defend Dallmann (as a CAM) going to a WC for Germany, ahead of any of these mid-field players (Magull, Marozsan, Lohmann, Lattwein, Däbritz, Leupolz, Nüsken). Not based on pure talent, contribution to the team, or effectiveness within the system.

    Both Huth, and Magull, physically small players too, but still very effective within their roles (no matter the opponent). The key situation with Dallmann, being that her true effectiveness is probably best out wide/as close to goal as possible.

    But even knowing this... she really shouldn't be going to a WC if it means having to compete with Bühl, Brand, Huth, Waßmuth, Freigang, Schüller, Popp lol. Not if your being ruthless in your pursuit to win a major tournament.
     
  7. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    I'm sure the "Blessing in disguise" part is this post, meant to be a sarcastic way for Oberdorf to show her annoyance with the way US commentators (Julie Foudy...?) toasted her early departure from the game...:cautious:

    LOL... Oberdorf already revealing the MJ energy...:giggle:
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  8. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Stephanie Frappart as referee for Germany vs Costa Rica.o_O Someone in FIFA wants to eliminate Germany.:cautious::unsure:
     
  9. hotjam2

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    #2259 hotjam2, Dec 2, 2022
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    Exciting game but ‘too little, too late’ as Germany bombs out of the tournament. But at least you would want to think the DBF now will double its efforts & budget to win next year’s woso cup.

    a few notes I’m taking from at least group play;

    the world has finally caught up to Europe & South America.

    Despite all the criticism level at Qatar hosting it, the fans came out in droves to almost all sellouts(hopefully there’s not that crowd ‘nosedive’ at next year’s WC, lol)

    One team would dominate one half, then the other will dominate the next half. This feels could possibly be contributes to the 5 substitution rule. So seems like a lot of the men’s NT are already establishing a well organized five-men 2nd tier unit, able to take over the game in the 2nd half. It’s something that you don’t quite see in woso but needs to be aware off. I felt Wiegman might have been best at it in Euros; it didn’t mean that she had necessarily the best 5 subs in the tournament, just the 5 most cohesive players.

    the other thing that surprised the amount individuals dribble drives into the penalty box. I mean(from barely watching men’s soccer the last several years), I really thought broso was going be more about quick, one touch passing(which is the way a lot of elite woso is played out)

    if I could ask only you(Lohmann), don’t you feel(like I do) Musala was Germany’s best player?…but then, the rest of the world had an bunch of Musala’s that could dribble drive through defenses as well
     
  10. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    They will focus now on analyzing what went wrong with the men`s team. Don`t expect that anything will change for the women`s team.
    I doubt that the rest of the world has players like Musiala but one assist at the World Cup is not enough if you create so many chances although he was unlucky with his shots against the post.
     
  11. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    I read that TV viewership in Germany for this year’s Euro woso final was 17.9 versus 17.5 for the men’s game vs Costa Rica. So I do believe there will be at least major sponsorship forthcoming for the NT do to the potential mass market out there.
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    Men’s soccer these days feels very globalization; is there anybody on the Swiss team actually born in Switzerland? Lol. And then remembering the Klinsmann interview from about an decade ago, where summing up the situation over here; he said that Americans don’t have the “hunger” for soccer because over here we’ve turned it into an comfortable mid to upper class college sport whereas the best players in the world usually come from “slums & ghetto’s”(thus soccer is their meal ticket out of poverty).
    So it’s up to the eye of the beholder to decide if Klinsman remarks aged well, but if his theory’s held up; then the only way German men can come back on top again if they produce more slums & ghettos in their cities?
     
  12. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    @hotjam2... yikes lol. Please watch this... it's in English too.
     
  13. hotjam2

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    Arnautis & Stefi Jones as the main ‘expert’ commentators, lol; Jones claims victim due to “eight Olympic members” retiring when I can only count four(Mittag, Behringer, Krahn, Bartuziak) with the last three not exactly top of the class.
    Arnautis should be responsible for all the German talent available to him, yet squandering opportunities for newbies like Anyomi, Martinez Wamser or the recovery of Kuver—only 8 minutes of playing vs last place Potsdam, yesterday. As well as forcing Nuskin into CB/Freigang into CAM.
    He puts major emphasis on a strong pro league, but current powerhouse’s Canada Sweden Netherlands show you don’t really need that(or let some other poor bastard’s League pay for their players salaries). While the particular club ‘school of soccer’ systems have produced excellent prospects, you got to wonder how low the participation level really is when after all the hard work & sacrifices, the end of the rainbow is an rather low, so called professional salary in woso.
    Not mentioned during this supposed descent is that intern coach, Horst Hrrbesch kept the NT undefeated in 2018/in her debut, MVT beat France in Paris, but that was with Elsig Hendrich in the backline/Leupolz at DM. All were absent when Germany got shot down in flames by Sweden later on that year at the WC, a tournament noticeable the way MVT kept experimenting throughout the tourney(something that most coaches don’t do). This vid did note that MVT does experiment with lineup changes quite a lot, and this explains why Germany’s performances having been so uneven at times during the last 3 years.
    It does not tell you when Mittag’s brief interview was given, but she does state that Germany plays technically advanced type soccer. Now given that men & women do play close to each other same type tactics, it’s all dandy to say that when your winning, but after two disastrous men’s World Cups/one women’s , it’s time to reevaluate those tactics.
     
  14. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Agree.. but I maintain Behringer a great player for the wnt, with Krahn an important part of this particular generations ability to obtain success too.
     
  15. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    He'll learn... with rival clubs possessing more money ready to take his best players, the European games growing professionalism will only continue placing greater demands on German clubs to gain regular access to the UWLC.

    Meaning coaches like Arnautis will need to do what's best for himself, and his clubs players... no longer bending the knee to the cheap whims of their wnt coach.

    Which is why I remain highly suspect about the various decisions made by the DFB, concerning the leadership of their wnt. Germany now having underachieved so much, and for so long, frauds within key positions would pretend the world full of superior standards in club level professionalism (it's not), rather address true waste of it's extensive infrastructure/resources.
     
  16. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    Yeah... this period is always left out, because even if many felt the wnt would have been in a better position for the WC if Hrubesch remained in the role of head coach, the manifesto of the wnt program only being lead by women, didn't really work with Hrubesch being within a prominent position to helping the wnt establish a new period of success...:rolleyes:

    Yes... a lot of trail, and a lot of errors...:( But MVT STILL apparently lost on what her team is meant to be without it's key players, and this reflected the highs and lows of 5 defeats within a year Germany also unlucky not to win another Euro...:confused:
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Mittag understands the successful identity of her national game, and just reiterates how this style of football always witnessed whenever German wnt's do best too; and yet for some reason you continue to remain in denial on this fact, even when it's in full effect right now for MVT's team...o_O
     
  18. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    What...:confused: I've read your various bad takes on Germany's men's WC team, and you continue trying to make these bad takes real, even when it should be obvious to anyone who follows both of these teams, the fate of the German mnt has absolutely nothing to do with the fate of the wnt.

    An no.... Germany's women will NEVER find success exchanging their identity with the USwnt. So pretending this some kind of intelligent option, all because the German mnt aren't winning world cups, is nothing more than irrational nonsense.

    MVT has a number of strong GK's, a world class selection of attackers, a world class selection of mid-fielders, and a smaller niche of elite defenders, all packed within a team structure finally showcasing a successful prototypical German approach at it's core.

    So yes, the DFB is run by bureaucratic dummies.... but why the f*ck would Germany abandon it's identity to parody the USSF now lol..? It's like saying hey Brazil, your men haven't won a World Cup for 20 years, and your women not a single WC ever; maybe you should just follow the USSF's example....:rolleyes:
     
  19. hotjam2

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    Germany moves to #2 in FIFA's latest poll. reading some of the twitter comments, English fans are pissed that their team's only at #4(as they've beaten all the #1-#3), but give credit to FIFA for NOT counting bribing the ref, lol
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  20. hotjam2

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    well then could you please tell me what went wrong with the men's team, cuz they now looked disastrous at two WC's and no it's not like they wee unlucky, this time they were in an rather weak group as both Spain & Japan got promptly eliminated in round of 16.
    but the Brazilian womens coach, Pia, used to be USWNT's & Swden's as well!
    that intense high press at Euro's looked very Jill Ellis-ish/USWNT, lol There's a couple of things I worry with MVT's version; that she insists on individual foray's, especially by the CB's, thus leaving an skelteral defense against quick counters/the deliberate build up can be tedious at times & allows the opponent to set up their defenses
     
  21. Batfink

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    Dude... you think every team in the WC had numerous players on their bench, possessing the same quality as Jamal Musiala...
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    This alone tells me your clearly not interested in genuinely trying to understand the potential reasons behind the latest men's side failing to escape a group of a 2nd consecutive WC lol.
     
  22. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    And...? Brazilian football is going through a poor era of their best coaches no longer being Brazilian anymore; so why would their football association have a Brazilian man/woman lead their wnt right now...?

    Germany's biggest issues are of their own design, as they've decided only allowing a tiny niche of people to lead their programs various wnt's. Resulting in a revolving door of coaches passing through the junior teams, and a hard 6-8 year stagnation with the senior team.

    But beyond that though, Germany still have very robust club infrastructures in place, that continues to develop very strong players, despite the inept leadership of it's wnt. Making a nonsense of any idea they should be following a USSF model to produce positive results in the future.
     
  23. Batfink

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    Against the grain of positive German fan opinion, and the general opinion of interested neuturals, you were in these forums claiming Germany's style of play during the Euro's mostly annoying to watch lol. But now your trying to tell me Germany resembles the USwnt...
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    We just saw both these teams face each other.... where I posted data on the way Germany would play. But your going to ignore that, and say Germany press like the USwnt, when this thread filled even more data/evidence that highlights the unique factors of MVT's team, not being like everyone else aka unique to themselves...:confused:
     
  24. Batfink

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    Attilan
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    I'm never going to be an apologist for MVT's self imposed practice of handicapping her teams with increasingly strange/dumb player selections. But you can't think the recent friendly games between the USwnt and Germany, reflective of both teams best football lol..?

    I can't/won't speak on the USwnt, knowing they were missing important individuals in those matches... but when it comes to Germany, and the best team MVT can select, your in for a MAJOR shock if you believe those games demonstrated the way MVT's team will look come the WC...:coffee:
     
  25. Batfink

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    @hotjam2 I noticed many USwnt fans online believing the 2nd game a true test they were very pleased to have passed lol. But it's also obvious these opinions clearly made without any context of what they'd actually just faced; where the 2nd half would see MVT deploy the worst, least likely German mid-field/defense she could place on the field of play lol.

    The USwnt would literally go from struggling against a mid-field controlled by 2 players (Oberdorf - Lattwein), to looking like all-stars racing past a trio of 3 CAM's (Hagel, Magull, Dallmann...:laugh:).
     

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