2022 FIFA World Cup: Saudi Arabia vs Mexico, November 30, 2022

One thing is parking the bus, the other is playing a counter attacking game. We parked the bus and we never had a chance. Martino was praying for a draw and that was very unlikely considering how stacked they are. In a counter attacking game you can defend in numbers and then and attack their weakness - defense and keeper.

 

Cordova is one of the most talented Mexican players. Wish he was a little more consistent and ambitious. Afraid his career will go down like Fabians.

 

Also, you want to play that style but you play our oldest ********ing midfielders? You need young, athletic midfielders to do that. Guardado literally couldn’t handle it and HH was out of position and wasn’t fast enough to recover on Messi’s goal. Edson would have been good there. Plus, if we wanted to attack on set pieces, he could have been a threat. We were taller than they were.

 

I like Chavez man, but I would give him one more cycle. By the next WC he'll be 30, which is peak form for an athlete and that should be his last WC. He shouldn't be around by the time he's 34. If he is, he shouldn't be starting. That's part of our problem. The culture of seniority and nepotism doesn't allow for aging veterans like Herrera, Guardado, Moreno, Ochoa, etc to get phased out. It's a young man's game and we need to start giving young guys a chance earlier on so by the time they reach the WC, they'll be in their mid 20s with experience. To think we couldn't find a replacement for either Guardado or Ochoa in 5 WC cycles is crazy.

 

Look FMF should do better, however it's very important that when it comes to Liga MX, we as fans need to get over the club greater than country aspect. Club fans expect so much, that clubs don't have time to develop players. Being in Qatar the last week, you don't know how many times groups would start chants of clubs, not at games but at bars, restaurants, etc. We are at the ********ing world cup, why the ******** do you need to start a chant for America, atlas, etc. Just absurd

 

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The biggest issue I can think of is that Mexico continues to field dinosaurs despite there being younger options at their disposal.

I look and admire what Ecuador did. I mean, yeah they ended up on the same boat as us. But they did it with a young nucleus of players, and maybe one or two veterans. They played their ass off and scared a good team in Netherlands. They deserved to go through, but fell short.

You got Moreno who is 34 when you have Johan Vazquez who is playing in Italy, who is younger, faster, taller. Mind you Moreno didn't do badly. I thought he was solid, but there is no real argument that a younger player couldn't have done what he did or even better.

You have Herrera who had no business being in the World Cup. If you want to gift him a spot fine, but he shouldn't out there playing. You got Guti who isn't fast, but is younger and is used to the pace since he's playing in Europe. You have Edson who Tata inexplicably sacrificed against Argentina. There is Romo who is younger and can run for days. I'm sure there are other options, but I can't think of them now. I mean, somehow they gave Luis Chavez a chance and he did great. That could have easily been another younger midfielder getting a chance to do so at the expense of a dinosaur.

Orbelin was a big spark in attack against the Saudis, but he was stuck in the bench for the first two games because of Tata's ridiculously conservative approach. There could have easily trimmed several older players to make way for the younger, hungrier players.

The one that has been beaten to death -- you got Santi who was left out when Raul was clearly not fit. He contributed to little to nothing in attack. In fact when he came in against Saudi Arabia, the attack began to look like the usual Concachafa bunker ball without a clear idea of how to attack.

Why are all managers so scared to get rid of the older players? My only guess is that it's all about their bottom line. It's all a business. You need those players to market their bullshit that makes them millions upon millions of dollars. HH is completely over the hill, but he comes out in that Lala commercial. That means he has to be included. Raul is playing on a peg-leg, but Televisa used him in their promo. He has to be included. Moreno is on the World Cup banner, so he's a shoe-in.

That is why I don't expect there will be any changes anytime soon. The moment Mexico rids themselves of the fear of fielding younger players over aging veterans. The day they try to field the best squad instead of having to keep the sacred cows for financial obligations is the day Mexico might flourish. Until then expect the same old sad story.

Jugamos como nunca, perdimos como siempre.

 

the physical aspect and athleticism is becoming a greater part of this game. We can’t field players that don’t have stamina or strength. We don’t have to be Norway average height or speed of Senegal , but dam start picking players that are a bit faster and stronger.

 

Ochoa said he hopes we can play copa america or even the Asian cup, that would be quite interesting and much needed different experience

 

Man Canada is lucky they play in CONCACAF the defense has been punished for things they get away with here. Morocco up 1-0 in the first five minutes.

 

Gallito also had an outstanding cup in 2014 and was about Chavez age and then disappeared. There is no telling where we'll be in 3.5 years, but one thing is for sure, he needs to leave for Europe.

Hopefully this was the last we see of Herrera, Jimenez, Moreno, etc., unless they actually pick up some form in their clubs. Bringing them over when they were so bad for their clubs just because they are the buttbuddies of Tata stank the place up. Jimenez was shameful accepting to go when he's a useless finished crock.

And then you had idiot Antuna be your "supersub", when you choose to not bring Lainez who had proven himself for Mexico or Zendejas who had actually been playing well in the league.

A lot of this can and should be blamed on Tata. Having said that, we need some major change. I doubt it will happen, but hopefully everyone will actually stop buying into the National Team unless there is significant change, which would force their hands. But while the millions are still rolling in, nothing will change.

 

Proof that "winning the hex" doesn't mean a damn thing at the world stage

 

2-0 now

Now

 

Gallardo had very good 2018 as well, and he regressed last 4 years. Though I thought he did well this wc

 

With you 100%!!!
At some point you have to thank the veterans for their time and move on.
Sorry DL, you aren't the squad so we can bring X in instead so he can go in the record books for his 4th WC appearance.
Heck, use this WC as a rebuilding to get ready for 2026.

Look at what happened to Spain in 2014 when they brought in their old timers.
Where the players good?? Absolutely but you can't compete against the younger faster players.

And I also am with you on this being a business before success on the field.
The federation will say all the right things and the fans will say ok and put their heads down.
It's a business first and foremost.

Mexico had one the nicest jerseys in the tournament and never wore it.
How many went out and bought the white jersey when it dropped?
It's all about the money.

In 4 years this game will be a memory.
No one will remember who the VP of the federation was and no one will care.
But the VP will be in the Bahamas somewhere vacationing with the millions he made from this WC laughing as he is bathing with some hot young 20 yr old chick.

 

Once Herrera decided to go to MLS and Araujo come back to Mexico that should be have been the end of their NT call ups.

So many who didn't deserve to be called up. I will never understand why Cota was called up that was a never-was player

 

If youre a player in the MLS you have to be absolutely dominating and crushing the league to get called up. Anything less than that should be a very hard pass.

 

I shouldnt care this much


My heart rate didnt drop to normal ~54 bpm until a half hour after the game.

 

Gallardo should have gone to Europe straight from Pumas

Going to Monterey was a mistake

 

Efraín Álvarez and Julián Araujo both played for Mexico and it showed that their style of play and rhythm did not match. Has there ever been an MLS player that was called up for Mexico that shined?

 

Same story. Friend who played in club America 12-13 when he was young and said a lot who you know and what you can offer. This and lack of professionalism is what's killing us.

 

I know people will say he didn't do shit with belgium, but I say go get Roberto Martínez

 

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