Match 40: KSA : MEX - OLIVER (ENG)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2022 - Refereeing' started by balu, Nov 28, 2022.

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What do you think of Oliver's performance?

Poll closed Dec 1, 2022.
  1. 1 (worst)

    0 vote(s)
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  2. 2

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  3. 3

    0 vote(s)
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  4. 4

    5.9%
  5. 5

    5.9%
  6. 6

    5.9%
  7. 7

    29.4%
  8. 8

    23.5%
  9. 9

    23.5%
  10. 10 (best)

    5.9%
  1. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    48'

    How's that not SPA? Mexico gets away with another.
     
  2. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    The Guardian had story on this a few years ago.

    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...g-moments-clive-thomas-denies-zico-and-brazil

    The video is on YouTube as well if you search Clive Thomas.
     
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  3. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    51'

    Before the goalaso, Oliver correctly gives Saudis a SPA card... Inconsistent.
     
  4. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Two very, very tight offside decisions in a row. Flag goes up, a goal that would have been Mexico's third is denied.
     
  5. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    58'

    Tata Martino is pissed that Oliver didn't play advantage.
     
  6. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    '58- That's an interesting play on the slide leading to the corner. He gets a lot of leg before reaching the ball there.

    It should never be a foul, but after seeing the VAR intervention in the POL/ARG game, it's really confusing what is and isn't trifling contact in the post-VAR world.
     
  7. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    64'

    Oliver says the ball hit above the bottom of the armpit, but it sure looked like a handball in my live view. Should be a Saudi FK.
     
  8. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    65'

    Soft penalty shout. Not given.
     
  9. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. Mexico is going to get to lose in the R16 after all.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All of a sudden Makkelie's and Oliver's thresholds for yellow cards could determine who advances.
     
  11. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mexico may well lose this on fair play.
     
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  12. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It'll be interesting if fair play points decides this one, though I never really thought this was a "fair" tie breaker given how inconsistent this can be from match to match.
     
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  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Meh, it's apparently a 7-4 Mexico "lead" in yellow cards right now, so really only if Makkelie finds a ton of stuff in his match suddenly.

    But that non 2CT on Matty Cash is looking even more consequential right now.
     
  14. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    And he passed on two he should have given Mexico today, not to mention the whole shove in the back.
     
  15. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    At this moment, Poland at -4 fair play points and Mexico at -7.
     
  16. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    Do you have any idea if the CRs are made aware of the situation? Since messages can get to players, sure would be nice if the refs also knew what was going on to anticipate events.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My idea is that everyone would know at HT what the situation is. I don't think anything formal would come during the second half, though it wouldn't be hard for Makkelie or Oliver to learn the updated score since everyone else on the field would learn it. But would someone be piping in information about the card count? No. And honestly, why would they? I don't see how that information would be good for a referee--all it could do is get him in trouble.
     
  18. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    To me it seems pretty simple: there's one decision that would be clearly correct by the book and by common sense, and a different decision that would be popular. A referee should never put his own popularity ahead of getting the call right on the field.

    Oh, and by the way. Currently Poland is only holding onto 2nd place because they are ahead of Mexico on fair play points. Technical accuracy isn't everything, but it is intrinsically important. And we should be able to trust the referee's committee will value correctness more than public perception. Getting a critical match decision right should be absolutely the first priority. Looking good getting it wrong shouldn't excuse the mistake.

    I like a lot of what I see from Oliver today. But assuming the player pushed him (I haven't rewatched the video yet), that's gotta be a second yellow card, at least. Which puts Oliver's second game in the same category of Sampaio's to me: a very well refereed match spoilt by a missed 2CT.
     
  19. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Yellow to Poland and it's 7-5 on fair play points.....
     
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  20. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    Now it's -5 to -7!
     
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  21. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    78'
    Frantic in the Penalty Area.
     
  22. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    81'

    Oliver gives a FK from 19 yards, and I felt it was a flop. However, gives a correct YC fir SPA-F if you're giving that.
     
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  23. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    84'

    That should have been a SPA for Saudi now not given.
     
  24. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    85'

    Two legged tackle by Mex. Ball first then rolls in. Good foul. Risking another yc point, lol, not given.
     
  25. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Didn't martino take a caution earlier in this tournament?
     

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