Match 39: POL : ARG - MAKKELIE (NED)

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What do you think of Makkelie's performance?

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  1. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Match #39
    Poland : Argentina
    Wednesday, 30 November 2022
    22:00 local time (14:00 EST)
    Doha


    Referee: Danny MAKKELIE (NED)

    AR1: Hessel Steegstra (NED)
    AR2: Jan De Vries (NED)
    Fourth Official: Said Martinez (HON)
    Fifth Official: Helpys Raymundo Feliz (DOM)
    VAR: Pol van Boekel (NED)
    AVAR (1): Bastian Dankert (GER)
    Offside AVAR (2): Kathryn Nesbitt (USA)
    Support AVAR (3): Juan Soto (VEN)
    Stand-by Offside AVAR (4): Anton Shchetinin (AUS)
     
  2. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    This one could be very interesting as a Poland draw might send Argentina home provide Saudi Arabia defeat Mexico.
     
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  3. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    I can very much see Saudi Arabia defeating Mexico and I can very much see Poland drawing/winning Argentina.
     
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  4. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    This game getting... spicy.
     
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  5. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
    OR
    VAR suggesting penalty after keeper gets hands to Messi's head after a header.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shocked this was sent down. Makkelie is screwed either way, I think.
     
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  7. akindc

    akindc Member+

    Jun 22, 2006
    Washington, DC
    Wow...you never see something like that called.
     
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  8. Chaik

    Chaik Member

    Oct 18, 2001
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Ball don't lie?
     
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  9. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    You could tell he did it want to give that PK.
     
  10. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
  11. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Man this is absolute BS. The header goes a mile wide but because the keepers hand touched the face after it, it’s a penalty

    BALL DONT LIE
     
  12. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Well. Incredible scenes.
     
  13. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that’s just shocking. I’m having a hard time believing that was sent down much less he went with it
     
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  14. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For what it's worth, that's not a clear and obvious penalty for me. But once Makkelie is at the monitor, how on earth does he turn it away given the actors on-field and precedent to date with VAR?
     
  15. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    No way. There is no way that is enough contact for a penalty kick.

    I get if he cleans him out after or if he attempts to punch the ball and then hits him with punch/closed fist.

    That's a careless challenge by the goal keeper. It has to rise to a degree of reckless to justify a PK. That's just the reality.
     
  16. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    It lies all the time.
     
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  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you see something like it called regularly now. And that's a good thing. Because it's taken awhile to get there.

    But just not quite that.
     
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  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is right for me. Or at least for it to rise to a VAR penalty kick. I cannot believe that was sent down. That was never getting sent down in UCL or at EURO.
     
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  19. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Pre-VAR, it's obviously a goal kick. Keeper grazes his head and Messi goes down holding his eyes.

    Justice prevails as the PK is saved.
     
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  20. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Szczesny saves the PK ... and Makkelie?
     
  21. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I just don't know what the two of the most experienced people on the planet with VAR just saw there. Truly shocking.

    This is a tournament where the red card has become extinct, yet we are giving penalties for this?
     
  22. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    I hate that contact that is routinely seen and ignored by officials now pretty much has to be called when VAR sends it down.

    ITOOTR is all but gone.
     
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  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wonder what Makkelie will say about Van Boekel in his post-match interview.
     
  24. sjquakes08

    sjquakes08 Member+

    Jun 16, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we're going to criticize Faghani for not rejecting the penalty in his game (which many, including myself, did), I don't think we can make excuses for Makkelie. If he doesn't want a penalty there, he shouldn't give it.
     
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  25. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I think this is way worse from a philosophical and practical level.

    If a professional referee think this is level of contact rises to a penalty kick on replay, then essentially any contact with an attacker after he gets a shot off is a foul.

    If this was done in MLS, the VAR and referee are being removed form assignments.
     
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