Bundesliga 2022/23 - 27 EURO finalists play in the best league in Europe

Discussion in 'Germany Mädels: NT and Frauen-Bundesliga' started by Lohmann, Aug 1, 2022.

  1. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    @hotjam2 7 goals now, but with ZERO assists (she's like a forward..:confused:). Minge remains very low in chances created per 90, is low in the general ability to make many accurate passes per 90 (long or short), still nowhere near the best dribblers per 90, nowhere near the best tackles per 90, and nowhere near the best for interceptions per 90.

    Even looking at the attributes concerned with pressing, Minge is placed low in the ability to win possession back from within the opponents final third; this a quality MVT has her wnt excel at right now.

    The only area outside of scoring goals where Minge stands out in this league, is in her blocks per 90, where she's currently placed #1. So when I think of Germany's CAM/CM/DM options, if goals and blocks is where Minge excels, I still feel pretty validated in asking questions about whether this enough to get her into MVT's potential WC plans...:cautious:
     
  2. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Funny seeing Stanway praised for reinvigorating Bayern's attack lol, when last season saw Bayern with 28 goals after the first 7 games, while this season their supposedly improved attack only has 18 league goals...:rolleyes:

    I don't know why everyone is going out of their way to lavish unwarranted praise on Bayern this season, especially Stanway; when they're clearly a worse team, with many of their best players from previous seasons failing to perform at the expected standards...:unsure:
     
  3. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    And looking back at the UWCL match between Roma Vs Wolfsburg, I don't understand why Stroot didn't just use Popp as 2nd forward alongside Pajor within a 4-4-2... He did it all last season with Waßmuth and Roord...:cautious:

    I know they made it work because of them having Oberdorf play a huge role in last seasons tactical choices. But I genuinely wonder if their lack of mid-field control wouldn't have seen it become more effective now to simply use Pajor - Popp as a front two...?
     
  4. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
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    Feb 24, 2020
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  5. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    here's Wolfsburg full game replay with Koln

    Bayern full game with Essen
     
  6. Lohmann

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    Arminia Bielefeld
    Germany
    Feb 24, 2020
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    Germany
    #806 Lohmann, Nov 27, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2022
    Köln - Wolfsburg 0:4(0:3)
    Hegering(30,45+1), Popp(33,68)


    Duisburg - Meppen 1:0(0:0)
    Hess(54)


    Bayern - Essen 2:0(1:0)
    Magull(28), Kett(90)




    Next week: Hoffenheim vs Bayern (Friday) and Wolfsburg vs Frankfurt (Saturday)

    2.Bundesliga
    Leipzig - Frankfurt II 2:1
    Bayern II - Gütersloh 1:2
    Köln II - Potsdam II 2:1
    Andernach - Nürnberg 3:1
    Ingolstadt - Jena 0:4
    Wolfsburg II - Sand 0:2
    Hoffenheim II - Freiburg II 1:0
     
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  7. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Hmmmm... again, people are very quiet about the low quality of Bayern's play with this new coach...:whistling: Everyone couldn't wait to attack Scheuer, but when it comes to being honest about the team this season...
    [​IMG]

    Honestly, for me... the deeper into the season we go, the more disappointing this Bayern team appears lol. I didn't think it possible at the start of the season, but I'm starting to believe Frankfurt could finish 2nd...:speechless:o_O
     
  8. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    I don’t like Stanway cuz she’s can be an dirty player; remembering on previewing on another threat the US/England friendly, I posted vids on her rough play(which there’s plenty vids off), and sure enough, she makes an hard tackle on our best defender, Emily Fox, who was taken out for the rest of the game. Stanway didn’t even receive a yellow card for what obviously was an intentional or at least tactical foul. So FIFA apparently allows these type of fouls, but the biggest losers are the players themselves, as shown on the huge rise of ACL & other injuries. And here you thought as woso becomes more technical, but it’s has just become way more physical & foul prone & injury wise(yet FIFA don’t want to enforce stricter rules)
    I wonder too, with the rep Stanway was getting in England(I mean she’s was getting harassed & threatened by fans of opposing clubs since the refs barely did anything about her uber rough play) is why she decided to move to Germany?
    On the other hand, got to give her credit for grit & determination; she nearly single handily brought back Bayern from ashes in that came back from behind over Benefica, as well England over Spain at Euros
     
  9. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Wolfsburg also continues to be highly frustrating right now. A genuinely deep squad for the first time in years, Stroot still appears conflicted deciding what his best team selection, with no sign of establishing a clear style of play; I'm sure Stroot even resorted to rushing Oberdorf back into their starting 11 to face Köln...:confused:

    Again Hegering looks dominant with another short cameo, while Roord's form could become an issue if she doesn't wake up soon...:cautious:; but at least Waßmuth's showing some signs of life again for a team that will still need her goals and assists.

    Headed towards the 2nd half of the season soon, I feel like this seasons Wolfsburg has little room for excuses for failure right now, considering Stroot could literally go into future games with a strong German wnt as his starting 11...:speechless:
    Brand ------------ Popp ----------- Waßmuth
    --------------------- Huth -------------------------
    -------- Lattwein --------- Oberdorf ----------
    Rauch -- Hegering -- Hendrich -- Wolter
    --------------------- Frohms ------------------------
     
  10. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Manchester United FC
    Watching Frankfurt's winning goal, made me think... I don't want to see violence occur in games of soccer, but if there was ever a moment that justified legitimate anger, or pure frustration, turning into lots of fists flying, it's surely the Leverkusen GK reacting to the way her wall would deal with the final kick of the match...:giggle::mad:

    What were they thinking lol. Jumping OUT of the way of the ball on a free kick during injury time...:speechless:. In a season Bayern appear so indecisive, it feels like Frankfurt are fated to do well in the league this season, as they continue to ride a wave of good fortune at times to keep them ahead of Bayern lol.

    Oh.. and what the hell are MSV Duisburg doing in 6th place lol
    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    LOL... personally I only care about the effectiveness she has for her teams. But it's funny you say this, as English fans suggested Oberdorf a fouling machine, when it's Stanway who sits at #1 as the Bundesliga's player with the most yellow cards this season lol.

    I actually think Stanway tries to overcompensate for her diminutive size, by showcasing extra aggressiveness towards a lot of her rival CM's who are increasingly bigger and stronger now. In Germany though, a league known for more emphasis on wining mid-field battles through tactics, I feel like Stanway has been forced to improve in her decision making when it comes to factors like positioning.

    Meaning beyond the early season, we don't see as many reckless tackles being made by Stanway.

    During UWCL coverage, I heard someone on commentary talk about Stayway saying she'd started to plateau at Man City, and felt the move was important for her career...:unsure:

    Maybe the negative image she'd earned for herself within the WSL played a legitimate role in any future decision to eventually leave England. But the fact so many of the other Man City British core would leave for new teams outside of the WSL, might be a better indication of the truth, no..?
     
  12. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Moments like these are great, but it's typically easy to forget what happened before those big goals, that required such important individualistic hero moments to occur from a player...:whistling:

    I still believe Bayern's new coach overcomplicating everything with this team. With the Stanway - Zadrazil double 6 partnership, only diminishing the strengths, and accentuating the weakness, of both players right now.

    It always needs to be said, that Bayern were incredibly lucky not to lose Vs Benfica, within a UWCL campaign that's so far hardly a positive reflection of this teams talent...:unsure: And now with Magull, and Lohmann, coming back to health, Stanway will have a lot to prove as long as the coach persists with the theme of having majority of his teams play going through GPV and Stanway...:cautious:
     
  13. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    Real Madrid
    watched this till 75th minute; WOB did allow Koln some significant run of play, but then, it’s not like they needed to press hard like their life’s depended in it(they needed this from an opponent while still winning by an handy score). Hegering was the CB in this one while Hendrich had some really strong runs as FB(wondering now if Stroot wants to go this way in a the future) Pajor & Popp got now 7 & 6 goals respectively(good enough for 1st & 3rd place as Bundi scoring leaders). And I’m willing bet those goals didn’t come playing together, but rather instead with one gets to be the chosen striker(similar wise, Blomqvist got an brace when she started vs Bremen a few weeks back).
    It’s interesting too that Oberdorf finally took some outside shots(thinking it’s strictly forbidden in Stroot’s playbook, lol)
    keep in mind Frankfurt did loose to Ajax & Leipzig, I still don’t get why Nusken has to play in the back & why the coach insists on playing there me for some mediocre foreigners while holding back some promising domestic ones. Here’s so far the league matches playing times;
    Feirsinger 685 mins
    Dunst. 604
    Hanshaw. 582
    Reuteler. 562

    as compared
    Anyomi 308
    Martinez 217
    Kuver 97
    Wamser 75

    but guessing in today’s more physical environment, it keeps them out of harm’s way!
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    I’m surprised at your attacks on BM, looks like your faves Saki & Lohmann got to start. Going to watch this next
     
  14. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Yeah... this issue might have played a slight role in their performance Vs Roma. Where last season Wolfsburg's had an underwhelming start to the season, it had the side effect of basically forcing Stroot's team to implement a very high intensity to their early in the season.

    Right now Wolfsburg's increased squad depth, sits alongside a more straight forward domestic and European schedule, and had allowed them to play a lot of this season on cruise control...:unsure:. But I'm hoping the next two games Vs Frankfurt, and then Roma, at least generates more focus and intensity to Wolfsburg general play.
     
  15. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    ...:confused: Stroot has 3 of Germany's impressive Euro's back 4, including it's key CB partnership, but you believe he should push Hendrich back to her old RB role...
    [​IMG]

    It's like I keep saying... Stroot should rotate between using one of Pajor/Popp as his teams main forward. As we've all seen with Waßmuth, Bremer, and now a smaller sample of games featuring Blomqvist, that his team will still score goals regardless of who's playing through the middle.

    It's about Stroot getting the continuity right now, as the addition of even more offensive talent has obviously resulted in his teams ability to score more goals. But this extra offensive threat, hasn't been truly balanced with any form of improved tactics... well, not just yet...:cautious:
     
  16. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    LOL... If people look beyond her time with the wnt, at Wolfsburg Oberdorf's actually been very good at producing progressive forward passing in the oppositions half of the field. So it makes sense that she should probably be an even more dangerous threat on goals from outside the box now, considering she's part of a double 6 alongside Lattwein, playing for a team who'll typically deploy a very high press.

    I mean Oberdorf had more assists than Lattwein last season, and already has more assists than Lattwein this season lol. It's probably only right that Oberdorf eventually starts adding more goals from open play.
     
  17. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Which is why I said they appear to be riding a wave of good fortune when it comes to their form within league competition, as I feel it's fair to suggest they should have probably dropped a few more points, but also find themselves competing with a Bayern side who's currently far from the quality of team people believe them to be...:cautious:

    Sorry to tell you this, but Dunst actually one of the best AM's in this league lol, currently toping the chances created lists for the most creative players...:whistling:

    And this with both Hanshaw, and Reuteler, among the leagues top ten for chances created too; the only players within this team who I'd definitely question for their true effectiveness, being Feiersinger, and Pawollek. As somehow, Frankfurt have Nüsken still producing stats to remain one of the leagues best CM's lol, but finds herself wasting her talents in a CB role...:speechless:

    Pawollek a DM within a top 3 team, being beat in every department by mid-fielders from teams like Essen...o_O, she's not even close to the effectiveness of someone like Felde at Freiburg lol.
     
  18. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    It's impressive to see that Küver with such a low amount of playing time, is currently placed among the leagues best when it comes to making interceptions. It genuinely speaks to the kind of young talent Frankfurt will eventually be able to introduce to their starting 11.

    But beyond Küver being a bench warming soon to be elite senior international level CB/FB, and Martinez having the best goals per 90 record in the league, it's hard to argue how Anyomi, or Wamser, should be starting in Frankfurt's starting 11 as forwards..:unsure:

    Using their weird diamond formation, if I'm looking at Frankfurt's most effective team, I think it would probably look like this if their coaches deployed a more effective use of player analysis...:coffee:
    ----- Prašnikar ---------------------- Martinez -------
    ----------------------- Freigang --------------------------
    --------- Dunst ----------------------- Anyomi ---------
    ------------------------ Nüsken --------------------------
    Hanshaw --- Küver -------- Doorsoun --- Santos
     
  19. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Really... your surprised that I'm still trying to analyze players and matches fairly...:rolleyes:. With or without all the strong players I personally prefer in their team, all season I've said Bayern's football is really bad... and what's changed..?

    Your own various biases might allow you to shift narratives here, but I can't take part in such unreasonable behavior lol. This new coach expected to lead a team with a strong chassis, but added an absolutely unnecessary amount of extra sides to it's wheels; these wheel's already functioning perfectly, but just in need of a little lubrication.

    Oh... this a coach, who's still trying to play without wingers lol...:sick:. And formulated a plan where GPV by a legit distance, the individual with the most touches of any player in this league lol. It's legitimately bad, watching the removal of years of good progress, for the flawed belief GPV, and Stanway, the new heart beat of how this team plays...:thumbsdown:
     
  20. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    It's no coincidence Dallmann, Stanway, GPV, Kett, all thriving as standouts right now, in a season Bayern have scored less goals than expected, and seen underwhelming team performances becoming a new norm.

    Maybe things can improve come the 2nd half of the season...:unsure:, but seeing Bayern deploy Lohman in a CAM role, and Magull wide left versus Essen, didn't create the best scenario to generate belief in this improvement happening anytime soon lol.
     
  21. hotjam2

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    Nov 23, 2012
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    #821 hotjam2, Nov 30, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2022
    finally got through the whole BM/Essen match; definitely low intensity but then, BM wanted it that way as they prepare for upcoming HOF(which they’ve lost to the last 2 out of 3 years when playing away). Essen build that classic, rectangular defense to close down the passing lanes. BM did not want to lob it over till late in the game(even though there was enough space to do so). So maybe men or women, BM has a certain passing style’ reputation to protect ala Barca with its ticky tacca? But in similar vein, Spain got its goal vs MVT’s rectangle at Arnold Cup. As it was, Magull got through the packed defense for at least one goal.
    The one worry here is that both BM & WOB are very one dimensional as they both don’t want to switch their tactics when their essentially not working, rather use their strong subs to take over the match vs an overtired opposing defenses
    BM vs HOF should a good match. Hard to predict cuz likewise thr HOF coach plays one half high energy, the next in sleepy time. Rall took once again the most shots(vs Essen) but will be in an running battle to get back & defend against the currently hot Memeti(should be an interesting 1v1 dual)
    Not sure if I want Essen(#10) to stay in Div 1, they don’t have much to offer outside of Endermann, Bass & Winkler(but then you go to to worry that their just sit on the bench of picked up by the top 4 clubs). Recruitment of top Div 2 players, Kowalski & Maier, didn’t help them after loosing Senss, Ostermeier & Wamser.

    post edit; reason I mentioned Bayern’s ‘style’ is that reading all the posts from Germany’s loss vs Japan, a lot of their broso fans are just not blaming the coach, but BM as well for dominating(or controlling)German soccer scene for so long
     
  22. hotjam2

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    #822 hotjam2, Nov 30, 2022
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    Minge had two really good goals though;
    1) she quickly side stepped an defender & takes an very accurate shot rather similar to Messi’s goal the other day and that’s with at least 8 opposing & 3 own players in front of her(this to me shows she’s got an knack for goal scoring)
    2) she times her run perfectly; beating the closest defender, but not getting offside for the final pass. How many close shots we’ve seen missed at this current WC?).
    Unless there’s a drastic amount of injuries, I don’t see either Minge or Senss making the NT…..unless they temporarily put their professional jobs(police officer & nurse)on hold to focus 100% on soccer till at least next year’s WC.
    One reason for the US two last WC’s successes is that we could put 23 decently paid professional soccer players on our roster($250K a year plus bonuses & endorsements). So even if Minge & Senss can’t get full time training with their current clubs, personnel trainers need to take the place(hopefully provided by the NT/soccer Fed or even pay for it out of their own pocket like we do in the US). I mean this commitment to training is why you see our 35 year olds often dominate over 10-15 year old younger players, lol
     
  23. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Hoffenheim's defense is really bad, constantly necessitating they're offense scores at least 3 goals to find a win. So looking at the poor aspects on display from Bayern's attack/mid-field this season, I expect this will be a close match again...:cautious:

    Essen are actually the leagues best team for players making interceptions, and surprisingly also posses some of the best dribblers too. Meaning their style of play probably really annoying for Bayern's winger-less system, where Essen were never really forced out of their defensive low block shape.

    I mean, seeing Magull forced to play wide left...:confused:; it just made my head hurt lol.
     
  24. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    LOL... Jens Scheuer actively modeled his team on the style of the clubs men's team, and after his title winning first season, featuring a closely contested UWCL semi defeat to Lyon, he was then attacked for a weaker second season hampered by a late season wave of injuries, and various Covid related absentees...:rolleyes:

    But now... now your going to defend this new coach, on the complete fallacy his current side is trying to play like the men's team...:ROFLMAO: NO! This new coach has not come close to mirroring the style of Bayern's men, as it should be obvious he's clearly trying to do what worked for him at his old club in Norway.

    And even if the league stronger now, you can still see the quality of Bayern's football lower than it has been in previous seasons; this reflected in past standouts not coming close to the standards expected from them.
     
  25. Batfink

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    May 23, 2010
    Attilan
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    Barca's women have ONE clear style of play, yet nobody will complain about it (even in defeat) because it's genuinely effective, and attractive... right...?

    But Bayern have removed the progression they were making towards being a very tactically impressive side, to instead start all over again with a coach who's ideas don't appear to have any relevance within the elite sphere of women's club football right now...:unsure:

    Just look at what's happening tactically at the top of European women's football, and it's has nothing to do with anything taking place at Bayern. Their transitional play is poor, out of possession their poor, and even in possession they been worse than expected.

    I feel like the constant defense of this new coach is becoming increasingly dishonest...:cautious:
     

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