Match #20 - England v. USA

Discussion in 'Group B - England, Iran, United States, Wales' started by soccernutter, Nov 1, 2022.

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  1. Romisirr

    Romisirr Red Card

    CSKA Sofia
    Bulgaria
    Nov 14, 2022
    #126 Romisirr, Nov 25, 2022
    :coffee:
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    #127 Iranian Monitor, Nov 25, 2022
    I agree that both the US and Canada are very good teams.

    Canada remind me of Morocco in WC18. The US, at its best, is similar to England at its worst, e.g. at the UNL.
     
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  3. Chicago76

    Chicago76 Member+

    Jun 9, 2002
    #128 Chicago76, Nov 26, 2022
    Greater than zero but not by much. In a normal WC, there are 3-4 teams whose talent far lags the field. The US historically was better than this group, butin the back quarter of the meat and potatoes of the field. They tended to overachieve through work rate and punishing opposition tactical lapses. In the last 20 years, the field has become much more tactically sound and fit. Those aren't areas inferior talent can exploit.

    Today, we've progressed technically to the point where we are completely middle of the road vs. the field. I'd expect us to improve upon that slightly in the next cycle as the current pool is quite young. Problem: there is a huge difference between being the 13th most talented squad in the field and the 6th most talented. The former is where we could be in 2026. With players on form and one magical player, that's the type of team that could sneak to a semi. To have a realistic chance of grabbing the trophy , I think a squad needs to consistently have top 8 talent. You might get a golden generation with top 4 talent that brings the trophy home over 20 years.

    We're not there and we won't be there in the next 15 years. Realistic goals over the next 20 years: MLS becomes an undisputed top 3 destination outside of the Big 5 leagues. Development via MLS continues to improve. US could pretty consistently crack the top dozen in terms of squad quality but only peak with a great generation outside the top 5-6 in the world. It's the type of team where the median expectation would fall squarely between QF and R16. IMO, that's a realistic 20 year from today goal.
     
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  4. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #129 Cris 09, Nov 26, 2022
    Holland has reached 3 finals over the last 50 years...and has yet to win the World Cup. England, only once and they've seen several "Golden Generations". Argentina with Messi and Portugal with Ronaldo, ZERO over the last 16 years. Belgium, Zero, EVER...

    Not saying it isn't possible, but I think it will be more than 20 years.
     
  5. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    #130 waitforit, Nov 26, 2022
    Speaking off ... because my country regressed so much I now look at other countries at the world cup

    So Netherlands - Belgium is my favourite final. I want all previous winners to crash and burn
     
  6. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #131 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2022
    He was talking about what could happen, not what will. The Netherlands has, in fact, reached 3 WC finals. They have been there. Messi was also there with Argentina, in the final. Portugal in 2006 were in the Semis. Belgium in 2018 were also in the semis. All teams that could have won. By comparison, the US has never made it beyond the quarter finals. Croatia, Sweden, and Bulgaria have all done better.

    Our football culture is not yet there. What we need, more than anything, is the generational tactical know how. This generation is the first generation to play with that knowledge, though most are in Europe. We have such a great advantage in having a huge pool of athletes to pull from, but have competition from other sports. But we have the pool, which are showing up in this generation, but we still lack in the tactics which can only be learned via time. 20 years is probably about right to a realistic possibility, but there is never any guarantee. Just ask Argentina. Between 1990 and 2014, they never got past the quarterfinals.
     
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  7. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #132 unclesox, Nov 26, 2022
    1930 semifinals.
     
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  8. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #133 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2022
    Nerd
     
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  9. HomietheClown

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    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
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    #134 HomietheClown, Nov 26, 2022
    I think we will make it to the semis in 2026 too.
    This young team will be in its prime and will inspired at home.
     
  10. Felix Herve Caroll

    Felix Herve Caroll Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ivory Coast
    #135 Felix Herve Caroll, Nov 26, 2022


    Former stars should be hired to form a psychologists panel to coach these young players.
    My choices: Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey, Brandi Chastain, Mia Hamm, Megan Rapinoe.
     
  11. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    #136 unclesox, Nov 26, 2022
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    :laugh:
    Well, it is part of World Cup history.
    *shrug*
     
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  12. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #137 soccernutter, Nov 26, 2022
    Not LD. Ernie Stewart and/or Claudio Rayna. Would be better.
     
  13. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #138 calabrese8, Nov 26, 2022
    LOL at England golden generations.
     
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  14. Felix Herve Caroll

    Felix Herve Caroll Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ivory Coast
    #139 Felix Herve Caroll, Nov 27, 2022
  15. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #140 TrueCrew, Nov 30, 2022
    Berhalter deploying McKennie wide right and having Wright & Weah deny Rice the ball & force England wide clearly flummoxed England. And Adams & Musah controlled the CM by themselves.

    England improved a bit in the second half, expecially after Bellingham went off.
     
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