Match #20 - England v. USA

US less so but England knew that 1p was enough for them to be assured of advancing. They played it safe.

 

Absolute Rubbish.

 

to be fair... an English player worth $100 million SHOULD be about a market value of $10 Mil or so if he was any other natinonality lol

 

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Yeah I'm sure those English players don't make nearly enough as it is so would be susceptible to bribes despite the fact that it'd mean the end of their careers......

 

We got the draw. Reminds me of 2010. We need to go out there and win to advance on Tuesday.

Let's do it.

 

Bellingham was on the England Euro 2020 roster.

 

Advancement scenarios...from what I can tell anyway:

USA: advance with a win.

Iran: advance with a draw if England defeats or draws Wales. advance with win if Wales defeats England. A draw won't cut it with a Wales defeat of England--unless it's a monumental goal differential that crushes England's GD advantage through two matches--because they'll automatically lose out to Wales on GD.

Wales: advance with any win if USA/Iran ends in a draw. Advance with a win of more than 3 goals if Iran or USA win.

England: as long as they don't lose by more than 3 goals, the other match doesn't matter for advancement. It's not really worth discussing the probabilities of advancement with Wales defeating England by 4+goals.

 

yeah whatever means nothing tbf, if his parents would have gone on vacation in tahiti and gotten pregnant over there then he would be worth 10m instead

 

He might be great one day and is surely good now, but Dortmund have a long history of selling rising stars that don’t live up to the hype (doesn’t mean they are bad). Dembele, Sancho, Pulisic, etc

 

England has bigger problems than Southgate apparently


https://www.thenews.com.pk/amp/1012...acked-his-bags-amid-fights-with-meghan-markle

 

The England that showed up today was the "European League of Nations" England. The one relegated to the 2nd tier.

 

i guess the outlier to that being that guy that scores a few goals a year...

whats his name... Haaland? lol

I never will forgive Juventus for not signing him cause they wanted to send him to the U23 team or on loan.... i believe the year before he signed with RB Salisburgo think it was.

 

Sounds like a harry situation... anyway some highlights from tonight's game although it's mainly stuff going on outside the stadium as wasn't too much to show from in it.. Al Bayt's a beautiful stadium though, shaped like a bedouin tent, so games are alway erm, "in tents" there...

 

Haaland honestly was a world star before Dortmund, he was amazing at Salzburg, But yes good young players choose Dortmund because they get to okay and get to move on.

 

Lol

 

Basically, US advances if they beat Iran, Wales is in a porta potty no matter what happens unless England get food poisoning the night before, and Iran advances with a win or draw. Those 2 late goals really, really hurt the US in the Iran-Wales game, but they were also more than deserved. Iran was clearly the better side, and my initial sense that Wales were ----, and Iran was the real threat to the US (before politics, and some player issues and a potential divided locker room made me think better of it: whoops) have proved to be on point.

Very frustrating as the situation suits Iran just fine. They're brilliant at playing organized defend and counter, and we struggled with concacrap bunkers the past year, so, hmmm, Iran definitely have the advantage going in. Otoh, one of your best players is out on yellow card accumulation, and Azmoun seems dinged up which could help us (but probably prompt Q to be even more conservative than usual).

Frustrated I have to work during the game. Would not surprise me if it's a real tense affair, lacking in clear chances, hoping that I'm wrong for our side, and we break through your defense. We'll see what happens.

 

No doubt, the US needed a win, to be in the advantage going into matchday 3, a draw didn't help our cause at all beyond boosting confidence.

 

Jude's a special talent, he just didn't get off tonight. It happens. If you watch him w/Dortmund, he's special. It's obvious, but I do agree English players in England are always crazily inflated to some degree.

 

Only they didn't leak any goals to us, but beyond that, yeah, they looked like the crap side they've often looked like since last summer.

Some of that was our, you know, players. Pulisic, Weah, McKennie, Musah, Adams, Jedi, Ream, Dest are all very talented players playing for big clubs, other guys like Aaronson, Reyna, Scally, Turner etc are well respected talents at their particular positions (Reyna, probably the most talented player on the roster), and Wright, Sargent all are about to hit double digit goals in their leagues.

Part of England sucking was we played a good enough game to make them look like crap. We also had some agency here. US may have finished third in concacrap qualifying, but they were first in expected points metrics, we were let down by ghastly goal keeping from Steffen (ranked 14th among concacaf keepers in qualifying), and a ridiculous litany of injuries to our best players. As you guys have seen from Canada, we are in a weird space with the confederation, w/Mexico aging out along w/the bulk of the rest of the Central American teams (its even worse with Costa Rica), while Canada and the US have golden generations, and at least in our case, a player pipeline going crazy. It needs to be noted, both Canada and the US outplayed 2 of the top 5 or 6 teams at the WC in the last couple of days. It wasn't a fluke, both teams are good.

Otoh, I'd probably lay money on Iran if I was betting because they're underrated by handicappers, and play a style that is extremely difficult for us to deal with. I pray I'm wrong, I think we 100% have the better talent, but in terms of generating chances and scoring goals, we have the same problem as Mexico, produce a lot of possession but not enough cutting edge, legit chances.

 

Looks like USA made good progress since Landon Donovan in 2002 quarterfinal.
It's 2022
What's the probability USA wins the World Cup in the next 20 years?

 

the thing about each side is that they aren’t constant round to round. Wales is a veteran team that know one another quite well. They also have a number of 30+ year old players in positions that don’t age as well as center backs in a back 4 or goalkeepers do. Asking those players to play 2 matches in 4 days and 3 in 8 was going to lead to a deterioration in performance. Sufficient recovery is not there at that age. Ignoring the game theory that does into playing for results, I thought a Wales opening match was going to be a more difficult test than Iran in any round. However, when you factor in Iran needing a draw, Iran will be a bigger test than the Wales opener.

 

Almost everywhere. Most of these casual minded fans think England is going into every tournament as clear favorites too.