PBP: 2022 FIFA World Cup Group Stage PBP Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by jaykoz3, Nov 8, 2022.

  1. asoc

    asoc Member+

    Sep 28, 2007
    Tacoma
    Looking for some confirmation of a couple observations.

    US looked gassed around minute 65? Maybe a little sooner.

    Weah was looking to make those runs behind the defense a lot but we were late to pick him out or just didn't even try.

    Pulisic was guilty of this many times holding onto the ball too long rather than releasing Weah with space ahead of him early. The longer he held the ball the space in behind quickly disappeared.
     
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  2. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a certain vocal subset of US fans who start with the premise that Gregg is wrong and MLS is bad, and then look for things to justify that opinion.

    I see people calling Gregg an idiot for starting Sargent and saying Haji Wright belongs nowhere near the national team... I guarantee that some of the same people were clamoring for Sargent and Wright the day before the roster was announced.
     
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  3. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Pulisic gets upset with refs too easily, opponents know this and prod him.
     
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  4. Gamecock14

    Gamecock14 Member+

    May 27, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Some players were gassed around the 70 minute mark. I think the lack of match fitness got to a lot of players.

    If Pulisic is able to pick his head up for 15 minutes in the second half, the US might have gotten another goal or two.
     
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  5. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting statistic: the USMNT has a 100% record (5 for 5) of advancing from the World Cup group stage after getting at least a point out of the first game.
     
  6. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    So Argentina and Messi's first goal is a penalty after VAR. Just now Argentina had a goal during play called offside due to VAR. I thought it was offside in real time. There will be plenty of stoppage this tournament.
     
  7. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This game isn't going to end 1-0. I expect Saudi Arabia will get burned for at least another goal playing that high line. Argentina looks surprisingly shaky at the back and a bit uncomfortable playing out of the Saudi press. I fully expect to see both teams score between now and the end of the game.
     
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  8. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #183 Elninho, Nov 22, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2022
    Ref is making an infuriating number of late calls. Correct calls, but the hesitation delays the game and players are complaining when they think the other team's gotten away with something.
     
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  9. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    O Argentina...
     
  10. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What a finish.

    The chance came from a bad turnover at midfield. Argentina is still having a surprisingly hard time playing out of Saudi Arabia's high press.
     
  11. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    One shot. One goal.
     
  12. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    O Argentina....

    2-1
     
  13. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2-1 Saudi Arabia.

    Argentina's defense has been bad.
     
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  14. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    I'm really starting to think some of these fields are tilted or something. That's the only thing that can explain some of these games.
     
  15. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was just wondering, both in USA-Wales and in Argentina-Saudi, if there was a big wind advantage going toward one goal, because in both games the team attacking the goal on the right side of the camera seemed to always be in control. But the weather report says wind is just 7 mph in Doha.
     
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  16. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Argentina just made 3 subs before the 60th minute
     
  17. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Argentina now has two players on the field with L. Martinez on their backs.
     
  18. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Granted, Saudi Arabia have a near-homefield advantage for this tournament, but they really came to play after going down 1-0. Argentina not looking like a would-be semifinalist now.
     
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  19. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's almost a 500 point difference in Elo rating between these teams. The Elo ratings treat home field as being worth 100 points. Even if Saudi Arabia were treated as playing at home, the 400 point difference would mean a 91% win rate for Argentina. On neutral soil, it's about 95%.
     
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  20. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The really shocking thing is Argentina's inability to play out of the back. They're supposed to be good at that.
     
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  21. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    Argentina is simply shook.
     
  22. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually I misread the numbers. The difference is a little more than 500 points.

    If Saudi Arabia pulls out the win, this would be the second-biggest upset in World Cup history in terms of Elo rating difference. The only time a team has overcome a larger difference to win? USA-England in 1950, a 513-point difference. Argentina's advantage is 508 points.

    The next biggest upset was Ghana vs. Czech Republic in 2006, a 398 point difference.
     
  23. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    Argentina was trying to stay simple and win over the top.. seemingly not wanting to do the dirty work of passing through the Saudis.. now theyve let them build up some belief so now its going to be much harder
     
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  24. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our September friendly results suddenly don't look so bad.
     
  25. the5timechamp

    the5timechamp Member+

    Nov 3, 2012
    Remains true still:
    Intensity beats skill when the skill can't match, or gets frazzled by, the intensity.
     

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