You make the call….

Discussion in 'Referee' started by Gaucho95, Oct 19, 2022.

  1. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I’m not from Ohio but was wondering if you could clarify for me why they have their sleeves bunched up? It looks like it’s freezing there anyways. But I noticed the 4th and 5th official did too. Any insight?
     
  2. jayhonk

    jayhonk Member+

    Oct 9, 2007
    (I'm pretty sure), in the first Ohio game (last video) there is a loud bass drum being beaten, not by some senior boy from the band; but by the confrontational dad in the other video. He seems pretty invested in that team.
     
  3. soccerdad72

    soccerdad72 Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Apr 5, 2021
    That game was in August. Even in Ohio, it's pretty hot here in August.

    ETA: If you meant the playoff game, it was actually pretty warm around here last weekend (in the 70's).
     
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  4. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    If you mean the dad that went after the referee and had to be corralled by the police, his daughter has to be so embarrassed. I’ll bet he’s a joy for her club coaches.

    If his daughter is a good enough player to play after high school, he really needs to temper his attitude and chill out. His behavior is a huge red flag for any potential college coach.
     
  5. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Oh 70s is warm too… I’m just a different part of the country.

    is there something in the state rules about a mandated uniform? Why not wear short sleeve? Lol
     
  6. soccerdad72

    soccerdad72 Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Apr 5, 2021
    As far as I know, there's no rule on long or short sleeves. I think it was a noon starting time, so maybe it was cooler to start the game and too late to switch to short sleeves?

    My son's HS program doesn't have the same budget apparently - they didn't have a long sleeve version of their uniforms. ;)
     
  7. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    People in the Midwest have a strange relationship with temperature.

    They get really extreme with either complaining it’s too hot or cold. Even though it’s likely very middling in temperature.

    I know people that act all sorts of offended if you think it weird they wear long pants in 65 degree weather.
     
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  8. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Not living in the Midwest. 70 degrees isn’t hot imo. But the long sleeves rolled up was an interesting look and most of the crew seemed to have that done by the black cuff. Just an interesting observation. Maybe it was humid?
     
  9. AlextheRef

    AlextheRef Member

    Jun 29, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Couple of points :D:

    First, midwesterners are weird. There are a non-negligible amount of referees around here who only buy and wear long sleeve uniforms. I've heard two explanations for this phenomenon:
    1. They hate wearing sunscreen, think long sleeves look better, and are willing to marginally suffer more in the summer months. There was a guy from Iowa who almost made the MLS as a center referee who refused to wear short sleeves as a matter of principle.
    2. They don't want to spend money on uniforms they hardly wear. Lots of the spring and fall seasons are played in temps in the 60s or lower, so they figure they can just buy long sleeve uniforms and roll them up if they absolutely have to. There's a college referee from Illinois (who refs in many of the major D1 conferences), former national AR, who does this. Other refs follow.
    Second, what video are you looking at :cautious:? Looks like everyone is wearing short sleeves in both videos, and the cuff you mention is the armband for either beeper flags or a headset communication system. ;)
     
  10. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    I am a HS assignor and I assigned over 2400 games this fall. I referee rarely now, but I go see refs all the time. This video we are discussing is absolutely frightening. The coach should be fired. The spectator should be arrested. My advice to the losing coach. Score more goals.
     
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  11. davidjd

    davidjd Member+

    Jun 30, 2000
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I get that. I never owned a long sleeve in Cal South. I always was surprised when I saw someone wearing one. I thought that they must be pretty high up to have a shirt they'd wear just a couple times a year at most.
     
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  12. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In NY, high school refs wear NISOA jerseys as opposed to USSF jerseys. When I first joined the high school board, the advise we were given was to buy long sleeve jerseys if you couldn’t afford both. The reasoning was that you could always roll up the long sleeves and you would definitely need the long sleeves later in the season since HS soccer is a fall sport in NY.
     
  13. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    i looked back at the officials in blue and you were right it was a band to hold the mic’s.

    the other video with the referees in red . One did have the sleeves rolled up but most of them had SS.

    I’m just fascinated by it bc I almost exclusively wear SS in the middle. Almost to the point where it’s only LS if it’s raining, extremely cold night game or I’m on the line.
     
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  14. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I exclusively wear SS, just got one LS yellow sized up one so I can wear something underneath. Getting the nice tan is one of the perks of refereeing, can't believe people will want to avoid that with LS.

    My bigger problem is my hands getting too cold. Does anyone have suggestions for gloves that keep the hands warm, but aren't too bulky so you can still reach into your pockets and have dexterity and all that? I have a pair of Adidas shield gloves or something and they basically just keep out the wind and that's it. I need better for nights in the 40s-50s.
     
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  15. LongTimeLurker

    Dec 24, 2019
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  16. soccerdad72

    soccerdad72 Member

    Chelsea
    United States
    Apr 5, 2021
    When I got my Ohio HS certification last month, one thing that was mentioned was that every ref was required to have a short and long sleeve jersey in yellow and green.

    And to be assigned to a regional finals (state quarterfinal) game (the video with the incidents), the refs would need to have a number of years of HS games under their belt. Most likely, they’ve each got every color in their bag, long and short sleeve.
     
  17. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    If I recall correctly he was more into socks. :unsure:
     
  18. threeputzzz

    threeputzzz Member+

    May 27, 2009
    Minnesota
    You have to understand why we seem so weird about temperatures. In October when it hits 40 degrees we put on jackets.
    In March we put on shorts. Don't look for logic in it, it's not there.
     
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  19. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    Years ago, Arizona had a thing that serious referees always wore long sleeves. And, this was before shirts had zippers, the top button was always buttoned. I think there was also a FIFA/MLS referee at the time (Kevin Stott?) who always wore long sleeves.

    One year, I was doing the USASA national championships tournament. O-40 men national semi-final. Medium warm day, IIRC, but not really hot. Short sleeve weather for us locals. The woman referee said, "I think we were long sleeve. Is more elegant, don't you think?" We wore long sleeves.

    I have to tell the rest of the story about that game. This referee was, at the time, from the San Francisco Bay Area, but had been a FIFA Referee in Costa Rica. She told us that her first 1st division pro game in Costa Rica, as a woman FIFA, she was hit in the head with an orange, just walking to the center with her crew. "Whore!" "Lesbian!" "Tortilla lady, go home!" and that was just the women in the crowd yelling.

    One of the teams in this O-40 men's game had two old guys who were the managers and appeared to be the sponsors of the team. I hear one of them exclaim "National semi-final and we've got a p....y calling the game!" The other guy tries to shush him, I think with a remark about not getting the referee against them before the game even started. So I'm the 4th and the game starts. She's got this game in the palm of her fist. The second old guy sidles up to me after about five or six minutes and asks, side of the mouth, "where's this referee from?" I told him, "She's from the Bay Area now, but she was a FIFA Referee in Costa Rica." He had no further questions.

    The next day was the final for men O-40. I was standing near the field as the game started, with someone on this board ;) and, when the whining started two minutes into the game, he shook his head and said, "I can't watch this," and he walked away.
     
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  20. PlaySimple

    PlaySimple Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I'm curious about opinions on this one. The angle isn't the best in the video.

    Akron vs Pittsburgh in the NCAA men's tournament yesterday. The keeper was called for a foul in the 9th minute. The action starts at around the 30-second mark in the video.

     
  21. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can’t really see if the keeper gets the ball. Certainly seems like it but they definitely don’t come up with it. So at best it’s a touch.
     
  22. SCV-Ref

    SCV-Ref Member

    Spurs
    Australia
    Feb 22, 2018
    I think it's a good call.
    The last touch on the ball by the attacker is a touch to the left to try and dribble around the keeper. This puts the ball slightly out of reach of the keeper who has to reach across the legs of the attacker to get to the ball. (which he does not entirely do)
    The Referee seems to be in a pretty good position to see the ball being touched to the left by the attacker.

    My 2 cents.
     
  23. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Not the ideal angle from the video. Best I can say is it was probably a foul.
     
  24. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Situation:
    There's a drop-ball outside the eighteen. You fail to check for an opposing player right behind you. You drop the ball and the opposing player swoops in and slots the ball into the net but not before you blow your whistle for not respecting the distance.

    Was it correct to blow the whistle because the player did not respect the distance (Law 18 -- common sense) and the restart is another drop-ball OR do you let the play run out and have the restart be a goal-kick because the ball only touched one player (Law 8.2)?
     

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