Time for Keane to go

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by PoshSpur, Feb 1, 2005.

  1. PoshSpur

    PoshSpur New Member

    Jan 28, 2005
    New York
    Keane just doesn't fit into the Spurs side anymore. I feel he will move on in the summer with Everton as the team that will take him off our hands.
     
  2. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    England
    I think Keane is our most expendable attacking player. Can't see him starting in our strongest team and i think even having him on the bench is a waste.
     
  3. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you're nuts. I rate Keane as your best striker, and he has similar numbers to Defoe. Keep him, you'll be sorry if you don't.
     
  4. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I agree,he's one of our best players and we'll be nuts to get rid of him, he's settled here and has started to score a few goals for us, i'd be really really sad if Keane ever leaves but i doubt it'll happen though.
     
  5. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    England
    No.

    Although he has talent he misses too many one-v-one chances and is too much of a 'head down' player. Against his old clubs and the weaker teams he can be effective, which forms the majority of his numbers, but unfortunately in his 2.5 seasons at the club he has not lost his flaws and is already down as 3rd choice when Defoe and Kanoute are fit.

    Defoe is a sharper finisher and has more pace. Kanoute is essential for holding the ball up and has the most allround game of all our forwards, Mido has now been brought in to be Kanoute's backup. Keane is becoming a luxury player, especially if Jol (as he has said) wants to be able to get the team playing 4-3-3 with one forward flanked by two wingers.

    The club already tried to use him in a swap for Wright-Phillips, I think the writing may be on the wall in the summer.
     
  6. THFC1

    THFC1 New Member

    Oct 2, 2004
    South East London
    Keane is a luxury player now, Defoe is the number 1 striker. It is unfortunate as he seems settled but as sendo says we reportedly offered him in a deal for Wright-Phillips. He is now number 3 maybe even 4th choice striker & i'm sure he will not be happy sitting on the bench so maybe it will be best for him to go in the summer.
     
  7. CelticOnFire

    CelticOnFire New Member

    Aug 8, 2003
    London right now
    we gota keep him unless he is the make way in a deal for SWP. What if Mido doesnt do well adn kanoute sucks it up the rest of the year? And I know, last year he did have the CAN, but still was pretty bad. I love Keane though, and he likes spurs.
     
  8. DigitalTron

    DigitalTron New Member

    Apr 4, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Keane is a true talent. Every year he scores bunches of goals and every year he's overlooked. If we let Keane go, we'll say the same thing almost every one of his old clubs has said .... we wish we'd have kept him, and it was one of our biggest mistakes letting him go.

    -Digital
     
  9. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keane's record:

    2002/03 13 goals from 29 matches
    2003/04 16 goals from 38 matches
    2004/05 7 goals from 22 matches (17 starts)

    These are good numbers. Keane has been a consistent performer. Keane is a creative player who hasn't always gotten the greatest service. I think a big problem is that he is too much like Defoe, and needs help from a target man like Kanoute. So it's either Defoe in the lineup or Keane, but not both.

    You'll be sorry if you sell him. He's a great player, very underappreciated. OK, I'll be quiet now. :cool:
     
  10. Malkamus

    Malkamus New Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Another thing that goes unmentioned about Keano's game is the number of assists he gets (I wish they'd keep track of that stat) if the radio commentators I heard were right he set up Defoe's goal today against Bolton and has done so many times before. He's not a selfish striker compared to most.

    However, its either him or Defoe teaming up with Kanoute and/or Mido and right now the edge has to go to Defoe. Would hate to see him go. Lets see what the rest of the season brings.
     
  11. PoshSpur

    PoshSpur New Member

    Jan 28, 2005
    New York
    Okay, I completely understand that he's a good player and would probably get into quite a few sides. What I am debating though, is that he simply doesn't fit into Jol's team.

    If you look at the stats at Opta, you will see that he only converted 23% of his chances. That was the 3rd worst record for strikers in the 2003/2004 season.

    If we can afford to buy Shaun Wright-Phillips (which I don't think so), then it will be great for the player and both clubs involved if he moved on.
     
  12. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
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    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    England
    He did make the final pass yesterday but that goal owed more to Defoe's finishing prowess and Bolton not adjusting to him being on.

    I disagree about his assists. For the positions he takes up on the pitch - usually dropping outside the penalty area and to the left wing - he does not create anywhere near as much as he should. He tends to overelaborate and dribble the ball too much while keeping his head down. This why he's never been any kind of success when used on the wing or in a 4-3-3, as he's not creative for others, only primarily for his own chances.

    I cannot say that any of Keane's former clubs particularly regret letting him go, maybe Coventry as they got relegated but that owed more to them spending their transfer money poorly. One of the reason's Keane has had so many clubs is that his transfer value and wages do not match his contributions on the pitch. He's a great highlights player and scores good goals, but as someone for a team to depend on for consistent production against all levels of oppostion he just doesn't cut it.
     
  13. DigitalTron

    DigitalTron New Member

    Apr 4, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    Bah, even Leeds longtime reserve coach who was made manager said he most regretted losing Keane ... and Leeds lost a ton of talent! Are you now trying to tell me that Wolves didn't mind losing him either? No, every one of his teams regretted him leaving. He does a lot on the field and he makes his teammates better. The only reason some people want him gone is because they want Defoe to be the focus. They do not complement one another on the field, that much is true. But if you honestly think that SWP is far superior to Keane, then I just have to respectfully disagree, and I'm a SWP fan and have been since he broke through. SWP is a winger, and that may be an area of greater need at the moment (particularly with Yeates around), but Keane is the better player in my book. But why care, Spurs have a great tradition of jettisoning players that do very well after they leave ... so I'm certain Keane will be next if he goes.

    -Digital
     
  14. The Double

    The Double Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    Denver
    I don't think Inter regret losing Keane.
     
  15. Trigger

    Trigger New Member

    Aug 15, 2004
    al'right dave ?
    He is clearly the odd man out. I think his days are numbered, he's not bad at all but just doesn't seem to fit and though Moyesy is interested I think he'll go link up with O'leary at villa. Either way he wont survive at the lane much longer.
     
  16. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
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    England
    Leeds lost a lot of players because they spent too much on the likes of Keane, they gambled on Champions League glory and lost out hard. Keane was one of the first they sold willingly as he was not one of their first choice players. Bought for 12 million after a promising half season on loan, then sold for 6 million. Eddie Gray the reserve manager who took over as boss may have regretted losing him, but Gray himself was sacked and replaced for poor results. I do not see any Leeds fans who regretted losing Keane above all others, talented player but not consistent enough for them either.

    I also do not see this great tradition of jettisoning players who do very well afterwards. I cannot really see anyone I would take back.
     
  17. PoshSpur

    PoshSpur New Member

    Jan 28, 2005
    New York
    What players are you talking about when you said that we had a great tradition of jettisoning players who do very well afterwards??

    I have been a fan for 18 years and can't really remember any.
     
  18. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nicolai Berti......... :D
     
  19. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
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    England
    Technically the one and only Peter Crouch is the player who has flourished the most since leaving us over the past decade. Let him go to QPR for peanuts without him playing a single first team game, 2 years later he's moving to Villa for 6 million and is still in the Premiership now.

    But would we want him back? I hope not.
     
  20. jumhed

    jumhed Member+

    Mar 26, 2001
    London
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Clinton Morrison. He may not be scoring much, but he's setting a lot up.
     
  21. THFC1

    THFC1 New Member

    Oct 2, 2004
    South East London
    David Beckham? He may not have signed pro forms with us but he was with us for a while
     
  22. GoRapids

    GoRapids Member

    Sep 1, 1999
    Boulder CO
    For now Keane stays ... but if this club has true ambitions ... it needs a player better than Keane.
     
  23. chriswalk27

    chriswalk27 New Member

    Dec 8, 2003
    Dalton Georgia
    I just can't see Keane wanting to stay if he is going to be a distant third choice and if Mido does decent he could be 4th choice striker for us. I would love to keep him if he doesn't mind sitting on the bench and only playing to give Defoe a rest or a early round cup tie.

    Thing is Frank isn't going to want to keep his huge wages around if he isn't contributing to the team besides playing some reserve games for us next year.

    Also if losing Keane can get us someone of the caliber of SWP then I say good luck Robbie and thanks for all the memories, I really loved watching you play but the team needs to move on.
     
  24. fearmor123

    fearmor123 New Member

    Sep 6, 2004
    Dublin
    Ok in my opinion, altho Im am a huge fan of Irish players, Robbie Keane is hugely overrated by many Irish fans, BUT I disagree with anyone here who says the boy only scores against poor teams!!! World Cup goals against Germany and Spain, plus world cup qualifier goals against the likes of Turkey and Holland would go against that!! Also, b4 ppl talk about wanting to sell Keane and keep Defoe, I would advise you to talk to West Ham fans bout Defoes last 3 months at the club, where true West Ham fans will tell u that once he decided to leave he didnt perform unless Sky were there, and in fact felt that David Connelly, who wouldnt touch Keane, outplayed him. I wonder will Defoes interest in Spurs drop if Chelsea or Man U make a serious bid???
    The thing bout Robbie is hel always give 1000% for any team and if he cut out the stupid flicks and dives would be a much better player!!
    Ill also agree that Inter dont regret selling him, tho if the manager who signed him hadnt lost his job afta 3 months, Robbie prob would have stayed 1st choice til Ronaldo regained fitness! I will also remind all that Robbie was as far as I know, Spurs player of the year last year.
    Oh and Andy Reid is a super signing, give the boy a chance and if he loses a stone or so, hel be world class without a doubt.
     
  25. PoshSpur

    PoshSpur New Member

    Jan 28, 2005
    New York
    Guy's, there is no player that has left Spurs and gone onto achieve great things.

    And as for Nicola Berti, I think he works in the chippy in Winchmore Hill
     

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