2030 World Cup

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by Nico Limmat, Jun 4, 2017.

  1. Itiofele

    Itiofele Member

    Sporting Cristal
    Peru
    Jan 1, 2018
    Lima, Peru
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Has anybody read which stadia would be used in the Greece-Egypt-Saudia bid? I have not found any so far.

    My understanding is that:
    • Greece only has one stadium above 40,000, the Olympic Stadium in Athens. I understand Panathinaikos is finishing its new stadium in Athens which will have capacity for 40,000, and PAOK has plans to start construction of a new stadium in Thessaloniki next year, with capacity above 40,000. All other current stadia have capacity below 33,000, and would require expansion.
    • Egypt has currently three stadia with capacity above 40,000: Borg el Arab, Suez, and Cairo Intl. in Cairo. All other current stadia have capacity below 33,000, and would require expansion. Also, most are in Cairo.
    • Saudia has currently two stadia with capacity above 40,000: one in Jeddah and one in Riyadh. But I read that they are building 4 new stadia for the 2027 AFC Asian Cup, with capacity above 40,000 (two in Riyadh, one in Jeddah and one in Dammam).
    My guess is that they would use 3 stadia in Greece, 3 in Egypt, and 6 in Saudia.

    Also, given the weather, it would mean that the WC would most likely be played in November-December.

    If any of you have more updated information, please share.
     
  2. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    To me that Saudi-Egypt-Greece bid is a non-starter. Greece will probably also drop out due to pressure by UEFA in order not to distract from the main European bid.

    This one is between the European and South American bid.

    I understand why Ukraine was added but would have preferred a pure Iberian bid. Why add cross-continental travel? The Qatar World Cup is way too compact while the Concacaf one is incredibly spread out. An Iberian World Cup would have been just right.
     
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  3. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    while things are obviously very grim now, you're asking about a tournament to take place 8 years from now. I think I read Ukraine would only host the matches for 1 Group during Group Stage? So they would only need 2 stadiums.
     
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  4. jesta

    jesta Member+

    Feb 9, 2014
    if FIFA sticks to their 16 groups of 3 nonsense then kiev stadium alone would be enough
     
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  5. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm perplexed as to why Greece and not Türkiye - are relations that tense?
     
  6. Kamtedrejt

    Kamtedrejt Member+

    Internazionale Milano
    Albania
    Mar 14, 2017
    Hamburg
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    The relations have started to be tense again since one two years after for some time it looked to be less tense.

    I personally love both countries and I firmly believe that most Turks and Greeks don't have a problem with each other.
    It's just the politicians have.
     
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  7. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My mistake, I should've been more clear in my musings (although you bring up an interesting tangent):

    Why Saudi-Egypt-Greece and not Saudi-Egypt-Türkiye?
     
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  8. Gibraldo

    Gibraldo Member+

    radnicki nis
    Serbia
    Nov 17, 2005
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    1 group of 3 only needs one stadium

    stupid political decision and i think the iberians had chosen this in order to get the "popular vote"
     
  9. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Yep. Waaaay too many issues with teh Saudi-GRE-EGY bid. Cross confederation hosts, playing in Saudi right after a WC in neighbouring Qatar, lack of world class stadiums, political issues with choosing Saudi, weather, etc.

    The bid is a joke.
     
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  10. Real Mardin

    Real Mardin Member

    Galatasaray & Nottingham Forest
    Turkey
    Aug 22, 2019
    Not that I was an advocate of it but I thought Greece was part of the Balkan bid along with Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia? Has that bid been discontinued?

    I know they mean well but really struggling to see how adding Ukraine to the Iberian bid is good for the tournament or fans even if Ukraine and Russia are at peace by then. Feels like a bit of an own goal?
     
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  11. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    That was for Euro 2028 but that bid has been dropped.

    I don't see how it hurts. Its not like fans are forced to travel back-and-forth between Spain and Ukraine. I'm sure at least 85% of the matches will still be played on the Iberian Peninsula, so you won't miss much if you really don't want to travel to Ukraine. But at the same time, its easy enough to travel there if you want (NY to LA is almost twice as far, if we are comparing to the 2026 WC).

    Also, keep in mind that Spain and Portugal do not have a lot of cities with stadiums that suit FIFA standards. I think there is just Porto, Lisboa, BCN, Madrid, Seville, Bilbao and Valencia. That's 7. Having 8 or 9 would strengthen the bid.
     
  12. KRCSoccer

    KRCSoccer Member

    May 15, 2014
    I tried to go through this thread and I am of the mindset taht the tournament should be held in South America, although the change to the 48 team format kills the CONMEBOL qualifying as two thirds of the teams make it. FIFA screws everything up with their greed.
     
  13. Real Mardin

    Real Mardin Member

    Galatasaray & Nottingham Forest
    Turkey
    Aug 22, 2019
    No, things may have moved on but the Balkan bid was originally for the 2030 World Cup. I can’t post the link right now but if you google “Balkan Bid 2030 World Cup” you’ll see the evidence.

    In terms of the NY to LA point, World Cup 2026 will no doubt offer a great many positive things but the travel distances aren’t one of them and I really don’t think we should be holding up the travel aspect as a template for future World Cups!

    A lot of the stadia in Portugal and Spain are close enough to the minimum FIFA size not to require much expansion to meet the grade. The Estadio Algarve in particular looks like it might be suitable for a temporary expansion by adding to the stands behind the goals. That aside, if a third host really is needed to make up the numbers then why not France, which borders Spain and thus cuts down on travel time. Even the original idea of Spain and Portugal co-hosting with Morocco makes more sense than Ukraine, Rabat to Madrid being a third of the distance as Kyiv to Madrid.

    You say fans won’t be forced to travel between Spain and Ukraine, whilst no one is forced to do anything in life if you’re a fan with a “follow my team” ticket or tst you could well find yourself railroaded into doing exactly that.

    It would be great if Ukraine could one day host a major tournament again but crudely bolting them onto the Iberian bid in this way isn’t the answer.
     
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  14. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm OK with adding Ukraine but not crazy about the idea. I'll be WAY less crazy about it if the US draws into the group playing in Ukraine. What I read was that Ukraine would host one of the groups. So if you "follow your team" you're don't need to travel back and forth to see your team, you could stay in Ukraine. The issue with that of course is staying in Ukraine. No chance to see matches in other groups or getting to enjoy the other terrific things about Spain and Portugal unless you travel back and forth.

    I would have loved an Iberia-Morocco bid, it would be awesome. What an amazing opportunity to experience 3 incredible countries.
     
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  15. Real Mardin

    Real Mardin Member

    Galatasaray & Nottingham Forest
    Turkey
    Aug 22, 2019
    In that scenario should your team make it out of the group you then have to travel from Ukraine to Portugal or Spain to watch the rest of the games. One of the attractive things about the Iberian bid is its relative compactness compared to United 2026 and now that’s been diminished. Logistically it’s an own goal, whether it wins political favour is another matter.
     
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  16. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I suspect that France wouldn't be interested. The next time France bids for a WC they probably want to host the lion's share of matches, perhaps co-hosting with the likes of Belgium, Netherlands and/or Switzerland. Conversely, I don't think Spain would be thrilled with losing a whole bunch of games to France.

    Doesn't really make sense to add another big Euro country when you already have Spain and Portugal.

    Yep, like you say, it is unlikely that they will make the schedule such that teams and their fans will need to travel back-and-forth between Iberian Peninsula and Ukraine. And if they keep the 16 groups of 3 format, "follow your team" tickets could have as few as 2 matches. And you can easily travel to Spain/Portugal even if the US gets "stuck" in Ukraine for those two matches. It's only a 3-hour flight.
     
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  17. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Originally there were a few expressions of interest by UEFA nations or groups of nations. UEFA stated that they only wanted one bid for the World Cup and it seems by consensus that turned out to be Spain/Portugal. The others switched to EURO bids.
     
  18. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Given that FIFA loves dictatorships, China is likely the front-runner.....:rolleyes:
     
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  19. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    What role does a confederation play in hosting? Why does if hosts are from different confederations? Thinking about the women’s Australia NEw Zealand World Cup and if Iberia had included Morocco for their men’s 2030 bid.
     
  20. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Presumably each host would have to use up a berth from its own confed... the trickier issue would be which confed gets the extra berth in the playoff tournament.
     
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  21. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    They could have a playoff before the playoff for the extra spot, similar to howe AFC does it now.
     
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  22. PabloSanDiego

    PabloSanDiego Member+

    West Ham United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know every berth is important, especially for teams on the bubble, but it seems it's less important with a 48 team field to me as a fan. I guess not for the team that may just miss out though!

    Maybe in this new era of expanded fields of 48 (or more), the concept of adding berths goes away?
     
  23. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or... I mean, there's nothing set in stone saying FIFA can't just spam "host confed" berths (e.g. turning the 6-team playoff tournament into an 8-team one if they were to choose the Saudi bid)
     
  24. almango

    almango Member+

    Sydney FC
    Australia
    Nov 29, 2004
    Bulli, Australia
    Club:
    Sydney FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    True. Its FIFA's tournament so they can make the rules be whatever they want.
     
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  25. mr cricket

    mr cricket Member

    Apr 4, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
    Lmao Ukraine really? Pathetic virtue signalling. They have no business hosting anything.
     

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