Here is a simple idea for Vlako

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by Crazyhorse, Oct 12, 2022.

  1. Crazyhorse

    Crazyhorse Member

    Dec 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Get rid of every ancient player, Morgan, Pinoe etc and tap into the loads of talent under 30. The entire program needs an overhaul. Dump the entitled oldies and start anew. Fresh start.
     
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  2. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I feel that is less likely to happen than the firing of the coach.
    Also, while it makes some sense and I see the perceived need to just vacate the oldsters it is just impractical.
    Not all the older vets are liabilities and not all the youngsters are better than the vet they might replace.

    My belief is that in the long run we will be fine but as long as the coaching and the USSF top brass do not change we will always under-perform.

    But it is possible that all the "fix" we really need is to get a coach that will pick the 20 or so best players and then devise the best system for that group to play in. This is true at all levels and sexes in the US program except, maybe, the U17 women. I understand they are being coached by a Spaniard. It is possible they are over-performing because the coach actually allows them to play.

    I want to say that I am not at all conversant with the coaching selection and process at the younger age groups but, for at least now, our U17W team is clobbering everyone that gets set up in front of them and the biggest difference I see is that the U17s are not as regimented as the older age groups and their attack/defense has quite a bit of variety and creativity.
     
  3. CookieRules

    CookieRules Member

    N/a
    United States
    Jul 1, 2021
    How about get rid of the coach who doesnt know what to do with this team young or old. And how the hell are you going to blame Alex Morgan when shes out injured and didnt make the trip. I swear all this energy making excuses for this mediocre of a man its pathetic. And if it wasnt for those "oldies" this pathetic coach wouldnt have an international medal to his name! Everyones standards are really being lowered to justify this mans incompetence!
     
  4. Bob Lamm

    Bob Lamm Member

    Mar 7, 2016
    New York City
    #4 Bob Lamm, Oct 12, 2022
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2022
    This isn't nearly enough, CookieRules. Yes, you've repeated the same damning rhetoric against Vlatko many times. But if you want him fired, you've got to go much further here. At least 10 such posts per thread, going back as far as threads where people were demanding that Jill Ellis be fired.

    Don't be halfhearted!!! Suppose Vlatko ISN'T fired. Suppose the USWNT doesn't win the World Cup. It's going to be YOUR fault for not blasting Vlatko enough. :)

    P.S. Since you've misrepresented my words once already, here it is again. I'm OK with Vlatko being fired tomorrow and I'm OK with him not being fired. I have no interest in defending him. Most important, as I've posted once already, I don't see the USWNT winning the 2023 World Cup whether Vlatko is or isn't the coach. I don't think our players are good enough. If I'm proven wrong, everyone can remind me and I'll be ecstatic to have been proven wrong.
     
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  5. CookieRules

    CookieRules Member

    N/a
    United States
    Jul 1, 2021
    AGAIN EXCUSES!
     
  6. Bob Lamm

    Bob Lamm Member

    Mar 7, 2016
    New York City
    LOL.
     
  7. RevsRule

    RevsRule Member+

    NE Revs, LAFC
    Jun 9, 1999
    N. Eastern, Mass
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Im beginning to doubt Vlat. We bombed out on that two game tour. Losing to a Spain B team should be embarrassing. Of course we were missing people but Spain was missing more. What it says to me is a lack of quality depth and as others have said.... too many we need to move on from.. Id start with Morgan, Rapinoe and Horan. There are others that are too old too... I wish the USA would look at the entire program and how teams are selected. Somehow we have too many in the pool that don't belong and the player pipeline isn't encouraging either. Watched the USA vs Nigeria U-17 and we sucked. That was not a good Nigeria team and yet, we only managed one goal during the run of play. Same problem we have on the Senior team. Nice possession, passing... no shots. We have no idea how to score against better teams... or Nigeria. My overwhelming thought was "where do they get these girls from"? I see better talent every week playing HS soccer? I think the player pool is too much the end result of years of club teams that consist of players with some talent but mostly money enough to stay in.
    Ive said it many times over the years but will say it again here. Anson Dorrance was a genius. He arrived and basically dumped the going nowhere USWNT and brought in kids he picked. Players like Mia, Julie, Lilly and others, we all know. It wasnt popular when he dropped many longtime players but we all know how it worked out. Since then, no coach has had the guts to drop most Vlat is not going to do it starting the likes of Rapinoe and Horan
     
  8. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    if Vlatko looses both games against upcoming Germany, it could get him fired as I don’t think in it’s history, the US has ever lost 4 straight games in an row. But now from what I’ve read, the Germans as well are threatening to send their B team over here, lol. Otherwise the WC draw looks very comfortable for the US with easy access/or at least not running into an top 10 opponent until the semifinals
     
  9. Disapproving Hippo

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jan 17, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Supposed he loses both games and get's fired, who's taking over? I hear chatters about Casey Stoney and Laura Harvey but their recent semi final defeats at club level makes them a little overrated to me. Both were plainly outcoached by relatively new managers.
     
  10. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #10 hotjam2, Oct 25, 2022
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2022
    there are other 'fish in the sea' than just those two, lol. Since the BS/NWSL message board seems dead over, reading instead the posts over at Equalizer; a lot of complaints about Harvey style of coaching, and yeah, she did have several of Vlatko's faves(Huerta, Cook, Lavelle, Pinoe) yet flopped pretty badly in her home court the other nite, make me think the KC Current coach might be an better choice.
    Stoney's an protegee of Jill Ellis, so at least we would get back our previous more 'direct' tactics & maybe more emphasis on conditioning.Didn't think San Diego had the quality & experience in startersor subs to match with Portland(who had the home town advantage as well), probably made the mistake though of taking out Jakobsson prematurely(watching that game, couldn't understand why Weaver not on the USWNT?).

    Vlatko's 2 losses match any previous loosing US streaks; coach Sermanni lost 2 games one tie at the 2014 Algarve Cup, and got promptly fired. Ellis lost two straight at 2017 She Believes Cup. Both times would of been considered NOT 'In season' form for our players(since the NWSL is dormant around that time of the year).
    Vlatko should be able to have an full NWSL squad available(since the season's about over). Germany would be formible opponent but does have several injuries to prominent players(Gwinn, Marozsan, Dabritz, Leupolz, Lohmannn, Wassmuth, all out) plus lot of whinning from their top clubs(Bayern & Wolfsburg) that their players are going to be too exhausted for the trip(due to the extra Champions League matches that both are in) makes me feel they too will only bring their B squaders. So hence, Vlatko's job but be secure, unless once again, he looses to an B team

    Going well they okayed in the semis, this could be our starting lineup

    ………………..Franch
    …..Merrick….Hubly….Girma…..Mace
    …………Kornieck……….Coffey
    LaVelle……..…LaBonta…….Weaver
    …………Smith…….Morgan .
     
  11. Dfwsoccer01

    Dfwsoccer01 Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I thought that he was going down that road, and then Rapinoe magically shows back up….. I have less of a problem with Morgan as she at least can still run. Watching Rapinoe has been painful for like 3 years. In her glory days she was great, but she needs to let it go. I knew when Lloyd left on her own, none of these other ones would. They just won’t go gracefully and allow the new crop to come up.
     
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  12. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006
    other than Sophia Smith, what young player has shown anything in 2022?
    it’s fine and good to replace old players with younger ones, but only if they are better than grandma.

    the last Olympics we put in two young center backs and they played like they had never been coached. Davidson and Dahlkemper were just Awful. It was the two old ladies Rapinoe and Lloyd who at least salvaged a bronze.
     
  13. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    CB starting lineup for the Olympics we’re
    Sauerbrunn 5 starts
    Davidson 5
    Dahlkemper 2
    with Brunn only one starting in both losses

    Europe only allowed 3 teams at the Olympics/a dozen at next year’s World Cup. Since the beginning of last Olympics, our record against Euro teams is an dismal 2-3-1 record. Our 3 loss’s; Sweden, England, Spain B. Our 2 wins; Iceland(which failed to qualify for the WC) Netherlands(who most observers felt out played us before the Pk shootout). The lone tie came vs Czech Republic(who also failed to qualify for the WC)
     
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