Technically I suppose there are a small number of voters from Reddit whose votes are included from pre 2000 in the summary for Big Soccer only, but after 2000 only in the Big Soccer/Reddit summaries (the same as the rest of the Reddit voters who only voted from 2000 onwards). I guess it doesn't change much though, and it seems a bit pointless to do two separate summaries for pre 2000 - maybe the Big Soccer one can also be considered the Big Soccer/Reddit one if that makes sense for the 90s and before (but for most of the decades there is only one Reddit voter anyway!).
Besides, I wondered if the BigSoccer/Reddit vote could be considered more "credible" than BigSoccer only. In the spirit of the Ballon d'Or, the more people who vote, the better. By that I mean that by extending our voting panel to Reddit, we expose to other opinions but that's also the strength of a vote, to have more opinions to have a homogeneous version and avoid favoritism bias for example, although some communities can bias with their opinions too. So, I was wondering what would be the best panel of voters to express the Ballon d'Or awards revisited.
2000 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Zinedine Zidane (France/Juventus) - 72 2 Luis Figo (Portugal/Barcelona/Real Madrid) - 67 3 Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine/AC Milan) - 27 4 Rivaldo (Brazil/Barcelona) - 18 5 Francesco Totti (Italy/Roma) - 7 6 Raul (Spain/Real Madrid) - 6 7 Thierry Henry (France/Arsenal) - 5 8 Alessandro Nesta (Italy/Lazio) - 4 9 Juan Sebastian Veron (Argentina/Lazio) - 3 10 Juan Roman Riquelme (Argentina/Boca Juniors) - 2 11 Fabien Barthez (France/Monaco/Manchester United), Mario Jardel (Brazil/Porto/Gatatasaray), Fernando Redondo (Argentina/Real Madrid/AC Milan) - 1 2001 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Luis Figo (Portugal/Real Madrid) - 69 2 Raul (Spain/Real Madrid) - 37 3 Michael Owen (England/Liverpool) - 31 4 Zinedine Zidane (France/Juventus/Real Madrid) - 20 5 Oliver Kahn (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 19 6 Francesco Totti (Italy/Roma) - 16 7 David Beckham (England/Manchester United) - 8 8 Rivaldo (Brazil/Barcelona) - 6 9 Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine/AC Milan), Gabriel Batistuta (Argentina/AS Roma) - 4 11 Robert Pires (France/Arsenal) - 1 2002 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Zinedine Zidane (France/Real Madrid), Ronaldo (Brazil/Inter Milan/Real Madrid) - 54 3 Roberto Carlos (Brazil/Real Madrid) - 35 4 Michael Ballack (Germany/Bayer Leverkusen/Bayern Munich) - 31 5 Oliver Kahn (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 22 6 Ronaldinho (Brazil/Paris St Germain), Ruud van Nistelrooy (Netherlands/Manchester United), Thierry Henry (France/Arsenal) - 4 9 Rivaldo (Brazil/Barcelona/AC Milan) - 3 10 Cafu (Brazil/AS Roma) - 1 2003 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Pavel Nedved (Czech Republic/Juventus) - 68 2 Thierry Henry (France/Arsenal) - 59 3 Zinedine Zidane (France/Real Madrid) - 40 4 Ruud van Nistelrooy (Netherlands/Manchester United) - 20 5 Ronaldo (Brazil/Real Madrid) - 12 6 Paolo Maldini (Italy/AC Milan) - 8 7 Gianluigi Buffon (Italy/Juventus) - 5 8 Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine/AC Milan), Patrick Vieira (France/Arsenal), Raul (Spain/Real Madrid) - 1 2004 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Ronaldinho (Brazil/Barcelona) - 59 2 Thierry Henry (France/Arsenal) - 57 3 Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine/AC Milan) - 49 4 Deco (Portugal/Porto/Barcelona) - 36 5 Pavel Nedved (Czech Republic/Juventus) - 7 6 Kaka (Brazil/AC Milan) - 3 7 Adriano (Brazil/Parma/Inter Milan), Theo Zagorakis (Greece/AEK Athens/Bologna), Patrick Vieira (France/Arsenal) - 1 2005 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Ronaldinho (Brazil/Barcelona) - 81 2 Frank Lampard (England/Chelsea) - 51 3 Steven Gerrard (England/Liverpool) - 34 4 Thierry Henry (France/Arsenal) - 24 5 Samuel Eto'o (Cameroon/Barcelona), Adriano (Brazil/Inter Milan) - 7 7 Kaka (Brazil/AC Milan) - 6 8 Juan Roman Riquelme (Argentina/Villareal), Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine/AC Milan) - 2 2006 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Ronaldinho (Brazil/Barcelona) - 54 2 Fabio Cannavaro (Italy/Juventus/Real Madrid) - 51 3 Thierry Henry (France/Arsenal) - 35 4 Zinedine Zidane (France/Real Madrid) - 31 5 Gianluigi Buffon (Italy/Juventus) - 14 6 Samuel Eto'o (Cameroon/Barcelona) - 11 7 Kaka (Brazil/AC Milan) - 7 8 Andrea Pirlo (Italy/AC Milan) - 6 9 Miroslav Klose (Germany/Werder Bremen) - 3 10 Frank Lampard (England/Chelsea) - 2 2007 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Kaka (Brazil/AC Milan) - 92 2 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Manchester United) - 65 3 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 38 4 Didier Drogba (Ivory Coast/Chelsea) - 17 5 Ronaldinho (Brazil/Barcelona) - 10 6 Andrea Pirlo (Italy/AC Milan) - 9 7 Francesco Totti (Italy/Roma) - 7 8 Clarence Seedorf (Netherlands/AC Milan) - 2 9 Steven Gerrard (England/Liverpool), Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden/Inter Milan), Paul Scholes (England/Manchester United) - 1 2008 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Manchester United) - 96 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 55 3 Fernando Torres (Spain/Liverpool) - 44 4 Xavi (Spain/Barcelona) - 29 5 Iker Casillas (Spain/Real Madrid) - 9 6 Andrey Arshavin (Russia/Zenit St Petersburg) - 4 7 Frank Lampard (England/Chelsea), Franck Ribery (France/Bayern Munich), David Villa (Spain/Valencia) - 2 10 Marcos Senna (Spain/Villarreal) - 1 2009 Ballon d'Or Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 96 2 Xavi (Spain/Barcelona) - 56 3 Andres Iniesta (Spain/Barcelona) - 38 4 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Manchester United/Real Madrid) - 35 5 Samuel Eto'o (Cameroon/Barcelona/Inter Milan) - 10 6 Frank Lampard (England/Chelsea) - 3 7 Kaka (Brazil/AC Milan/Real Madrid) - 2 8 Xabi Alonso (Spain/Liverpool/Real Madrid), Steven Gerrard (England/Liverpool), Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden/Inter Milan/Barcelona) - 1
2010 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 80 2 Wesley Sneijder (Netherlands/Inter Milan) - 49 3 Xavi (Spain/Barcelona) - 45 4 Andres Iniesta (Spain/Barcelona) - 28 5 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid) - 10 6 Diego Forlan (Uruguay/Atletico Madrid) - 8 7 Arjen Robben (Netherlands/Bayern Munich) - 4 8 Diego Milito (Argentina/Inter Milan) - 3 9 Didier Drogba (Ivory Coast/Chelsea), Maicon (Brazil/Inter Milan), David Villa (Spain/Valencia/Barcelona) - 1 2011 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 90 2 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid), Xavi (Spain/Barcelona) - 49 4 Andres Iniesta (Spain/Barcelona) - 29 5 Wayne Rooney (England/Manchester United) - 8 6 Dani Alves (Brazil/Barcelona) - 2 7 Iker Casillas (Spain/Real Madrid), Mesut Ozil (Germany/Real Madrid), Samuel Eto'o (Cameroon, Inter Milan) - 1 2012 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 88 2 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid) - 57 3 Andres Iniesta (Spain/Barcelona) - 39 4 Andrea Pirlo (Italy/Juventus) - 14 5 Xavi (Spain/Barcelona) - 11 6 Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden/AC Milan/Paris St Germain) - 6 7 Iker Casillas (Spain/Real Madrid), Didier Drogba (Ivory Coast/Chelsea/Shanghai Shenhua), Neymar (Brazil/Santos), Yaya Toure (Ivory Coast/Manchester City) - 3 11 Radamel Falcao (Colombia/Atletico Madrid) - 2 12 Sergio Aguero (Argentina/Manchester City), Robin van Persie (Netherlands/Arsenal/Manchester United) - 1 2013 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 72 2 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid) - 60 3 Franck Ribery (France/Bayern Munich) - 52 4 Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden/Paris St Germain) - 15 5 Arjen Robben (Netherlands/Bayern Munich) - 8 6 Bastian Schweinsteiger (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 7 7 Gareth Bale (Wales/Tottenham Hotspur/Real Madrid) - 6 8 Philipp Lahm (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 5 9 Andres Iniesta (Spain/Barcelona), Neymar (Brazil/Santos/Barcelona), Robin van Persie (Netherlands/Manchester United) - 2 2014 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid) - 84 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 54 3 Arjen Robben (Netherlands/Bayern Munich) - 43 4 Manuel Neuer (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 28 5 Luis Suarez (Uruguay/Liverpool/Barcelona) - 7 6 Angel Di Maria (Argentina/Real Madrid/Manchester United) - 5 7 Thomas Muller (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 4 8 Yaya Toure (Ivory Coast/Manchester City) - 2 9 Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden/Paris St Germain), Philipp Lahm (Germany/Bayern Munich), Neymar (Brazil/Barcelona), Sergio Ramos (Spain/Real Madrid) - 1 2015 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 90 2 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid) - 54 3 Neymar (Brazil/Barcelona) - 41 4 Luis Suarez (Uruguay/Barcelona) - 22 5 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 8 6 Eden Hazard (Belgium/Chelsea) - 6 7 Gianluigi Buffon (Italy/Juventus) - 4 8 Arjen Robben (Netherlands/Bayern Munich), Alexis Sanchez (Chile/Arsenal) - 3 10 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Wolfsburg/Manchester City) - 1 2016 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid) - 66 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 57 3 Luis Suarez (Uruguay/Barcelona) - 43 4 Antoine Griezmann (France/Atletico Madrid) - 41 5 Neymar (Brazil/Barcelona) - 18 6 Gareth Bale (Wales/Real Madrid) - 3 7 Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Sweden/Paris St Germain/Manchester United) - 2 8 N'Golo Kante (France/Leicester City/Chelsea) - 1 2017 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid) - 71 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 57 3 Luka Modric (Croatia/Real Madrid) - 24 4 Neymar (Brazil/Barcelona/Paris St Germain) - 21 5 Toni Kroos (Germany/Real Madrid) - 5 6 Gianluigi Buffon (Italy/Juventus), Eden Hazard (Belgium/Chelsea), Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 4 9 Kylian Mbappe (France/Monaco/Paris St Germain) - 3 10 Christian Eriksen (Denmark/Tottenham Hotspur), Sergio Ramos (Spain/Real Madrid) - 2 12 Casemiro (Brazil/Real Madrid), Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City), Luis Suarez (Uruguay/Barcelona), N'golo Kante (France, Chelsea) - 1 2018 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 44 2 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Real Madrid/Juventus) - 43 3 Luka Modric (Croatia/Real Madrid) - 41 4 Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool) - 32 5 Antoine Griezmann (France/Atletico Madrid) - 20 6 Neymar (Brazil/Paris St Germain) - 14 7 Kylian Mbappe (France/Monaco/Paris St Germain) - 9 8 Eden Hazard (Belgium/Chelsea) - 8 9 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City) - 6 2019 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 69 2 Virgil van Dijk (Netherlands/Liverpool) - 60 3 Sadio Mane (Senegal/Liverpool) - 26 4 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus) - 22 5 Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool) - 8 6 Eden Hazard (Belgium/Chelsea/Real Madrid) - 7 7 Alisson (Brazil/Liverpool) - 6 8 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 5 9 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich), Son Heung-min (South Korea/Tottenham Hotspur) - 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So copying and pasting this summary but updating it according to the posts I just made, results in this: Updated version 8.0 so far (1950-2019): ONLY FOR BIG SOCCER PANEL CONSENSUS 1950: Ademir, Zizinho, Puskas, Schiaffino, Varela 1951: Nordahl, Liedholm, Di Stefano, Gren / Puskas 1952: Puskas, Kubala, Kocsis, Bozsik, Di Stefano 1953: Puskas (2), Hidegkuti, Kopa, Matthews, Lofthouse 1954: Kocsis, Puskas, Walter, Schiaffino, Di Stefano 1955: Di Stefano, Kopa, Schiaffino, Kocsis, Puskas 1956: Di Stefano (2), Kopa, Schiaffino, Matthews, Julinho 1957: Di Stefano (3), Didi, Kopa, Edwards, Sivori 1958: Pelé, Didi, Kopa, Fontaine, Di Stefano 1959: Di Stefano (4), Pelé, Luis Suarez, Kopa, Didi 1960: Puskas (3), Luis Suarez, Pelé, Di Stefano, Yashin 1961: Pelé (2), Sivori, Garrincha, Luis Suarez, Spencer 1962: Garrincha, Pelé, Masopust, Eusebio, Coutinho 1963: Pelé (3), Rivera, Greaves, Yashin, Eusebio 1964: Pelé (4), Luis Suarez, Law, Eusebio, Amaro 1965: Pelé (5), Eusebio, Facchetti, Luis Suarez, Mazzolla 1966: Eusebio / Charlton, Beckenbauer, Moore, Pelé / Albert 1967: Albert, Johnstone, Charlton, Rocha, Mazzolla 1968: Best, Charlton, Dzajic, Pelé, Eusebio 1969: Pelé (6), Rivera, Riva, Tostao, Cruyff 1970: Pelé (7), Jairzinho, Muller, Tostao, Gerson 1971: Cruyff, Best, Mazzolla, Beckenbauer, Netzer 1972: Cruyff (2), Beckenbauer, Muller, Netzer, Jairzinho 1973: Cruyff (3), Muller, Beckenbauer, Zoff, Rivera 1974: Cruyff (4), Beckenbauer, Deyna, Muller, Neeskens 1975: Blockin, Beckenbauer, Figueroa, Cruyff, Alonso 1976: Beckenbauer, Rensenbrick, Figueroa, Zico, Rivelino 1977: Keegan, Simonsen, Cruyff, Zico, Platini 1978: Kempes, Rensenbrick, Dalglish, Rossi, Passarella 1979: Maradona, Keegan, Zico, Falcao, Rummenigge 1980 : Maradona (2), Rummenigge, Zico, Schuster, Platini 1981: Zico, Rummenigge, Maradona, Breitner, Platini 1982: Zico (2), Falcao, Rossi, Rummenigge, Giresse 1983: Platini, Zico, Falcao, Dalglish, Socrates 1984: Platini (2), Tigana, Rush, Zico, Elkjaer 1985: Platini (3), Maradona, Elkjaer, Schuster, Boniek / Borghi 1986: Maradona (3), Lineker, Belanov, Butragueno, Careca 1987: Maradona (4), Gullit, Futre, van Basten, Sanchez 1988: van Basten, Gullit, Maradona, Koeman, Rijkaard 1989: van Basten (2), Maradona, Baresi, Matthaus, Bebeto 1990: Matthaus, Maradona, Baresi, Brehme, Schilaci 1991: Papin, Matthaus, Savicevic, Prosinecki, Pancev 1992: van Basten (3), Stoichkov, Laudrup, Bergkamp, Schmeichel 1993: Baggio, Romario, Bergkamp, Cantona, Laudrup 1994; Romario, Stoichkov, Baggio, Maldini, Hagi 1995: Litmanen, Weah, Klinsmann, Laudrup, Maldini 1996: Ronaldo, Sammer, Weah, Shearer, Klinsmann 1997: Ronaldo (2), Zidane, Bergkamp/ R Carlos, Mijatovic 1998: Zidane, Ronaldo, Suker, Bergkamp, Rivaldo 1999: Rivaldo, Beckham, Shevchenko, Figo, Batistuta 2000: Zidane (2), Figo, Shevchenko, Rivaldo, Totti 2001: Figo, Raul, Owen, Zidane, Kahn 2002: Zidane (3?) / Ronaldo (3?), R Carlos, Ballack, Kahn 2003: Nedved, Henry, Zidane, van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, 2004: Ronaldinho, Henry, Shevchenko, Deco, Nedved 2005: Ronaldinho (2), Lampard, Gerrard, Henry, Eto'o/Adriano 2006: Ronaldinho (3), Cannavaro, Henry, ZIdane, Buffon 2007: Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, Drogba, Ronaldinho 2008: Cristiano Ronaldo, Messi, F Torres, Xavi, Casillas 2009: Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Cristiano Ronaldo, Eto'o 2010: Messi (2), Sneijder, Xavi, Iniesta, Cristiano Ronaldo 2011: Messi (3), Cristiano Ronaldo/Xavi, Iniesta, Rooney 2012: Messi (4), Cristiano Ronaldo, Iniesta, Pirlo, Xavi 2013: Messi (5), Cristiano Ronaldo, Ribery, Ibrahimovic, Robben 2014: Cristiano Ronaldo (2), Messi, Robben, Neuer, Suarez 2015: Messi (6), Cristiano Ronaldo, Neymar, Suarez, Lewandowski 2016: Cristiano Ronaldo (3), Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Neymar 2017: Cristiano Ronaldo (4), Messi, Modric, Neymar, Kroos 2018: Messi (7), Cristiano Ronaldo, Modric, Salah, Griezmann 2019: Messi (8), van Djik, Mané, Cristiano Ronaldo, Salah Number of win for each winners of the Ballon d'Or over the period 1950-2019: - Messi (8) - Pelé (7) - Di Stefano (4) - Cruyff (4) - Maradona (4) - Cristiano Ronaldo (4) - Puskas (3) - Platini (3) - van Basten (3) - Ronaldinho (3) - Zidane (3?) (sharing with Ronaldo) - Ronaldo (3?) (sharing with Zidane) - Zico (2) - Ademir (1) - Nordahl (1) - Kocsis (1) - Garrincha (1) - Eusebio / Charlton (1 shared) - Albert (1) - Best (1) - Blockin (1) - Beckenbauer (1) - Keegan (1) - Kempes (1) - Matthaus (1) - Papin (1) - Baggio (1) - Romario (1) - Litmanen (1) - Rivaldo (1) - Figo (1) - Nedved (1) - Kaka (1) If we extend to the number of times listed in the top 5 (and among top 3), we find the above players in more numbers of times mentioned: - Messi (13 times with 13 times among top 3) - Cristiano Ronaldo (13 times with 10 times among top 3) - Pelé (12 times with 10 times among top 3) - Maradona (9 times with 9 times among top 3) - Di Stefano (9 times with 5 times among top 3) - Zico (8 times with 5 times among top 3) - Beckenbauer (7 times with 6 times among top 3) - Cruyff (7 times with 5 times among top 3) - Puskas (7 times with 5 times among top 3) - Zidane (7 times with 5 times among top 3 - Kopa (6 times with 5 times among top 3) - Platini (6 times with 3 times among top 3)
Mbappé is seriously downgraded in these ranking compared to the real results which were fair so far, I believe (the real/official or whatever bdo rankings if ever this sentence was not clear enough; it may be the case). In other times, pre-CL, and when not everything was over-scrutinized, perhaps he'd have already make a podium, that's what I believe anyway.
I guess there is no reason not to add the next couple of years/seasons now I think about it, and just reveal the 2022 one once we get into perhaps late January/early February (or at least until everyone who is due to vote has done so, surely after the World Cup and into the Christmas/New Year period, so that those who want to fully consider calendar year still can do so - I know that the actual Ballon d'Or is brought forwards and is in effect going to be purely a 2021/22 vote...which is maybe funny/interesting it happens now given this year is when the 2022 World Cup will be played in late 2022 and so will only affect the 2023 (22/23) actual Ballon d'Or!). That's unless every voter here would want to also switch to seasons from 21/22 onwards I guess, but I'm assuming not (I could myself if everyone else did though of course). Maybe early next year I can have a look at adding years before 1950 too, after having a look through to see what we have in terms of votes - it will be a small number but from specialist guys so worth adding it I'm sure - I guess the extra time can help allow some others to add or clarify votes too (for example Peru FC might go further back than 1950 when he lets us know his full set of votes, or Tom Stevens might possibly convert his choices into a seasonal format like he's done now for post 1950 or something). It seems reasonable to wait a bit longer (until 2022 is added) to do that anyway I think, and it suits me to have a break from it for a bit probably too. So I'll show the Big Soccer voting for the first couple of 2020s years now and then add in Reddit votes again....
2020 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 70 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 31 3 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City) - 29 4 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus) - 13 5 Serge Gnabry (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 10 6 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 9 7 Joshua Kimmich (Germany/Bayern Munich), Manuel Neuer (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 8 9 Neymar (Brazil/Paris St Germain) - 5 10 Sadio Mane (Senegal/Liverpool) - 4 11 Thomas Muller (Germany/Bayern Munich), Virgil van Dijk (Netherlands/Liverpool) - 1 One vote had no 4th or 5th place allocated. Golden Ball positioned Lewandowski has eleven 1st place votes, and Neuer has the other one. Bronze Ball positioned De Bruyne has four of the 2nd place votes, but is two points behind Messi who has the edge in the Silver Ball race but just three 2nd place votes (Gnabry has a couple, and Lewandowski, Kimmich and Neymar the others).
2021 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona/Paris St Germain) - 59 2 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 46 3 Karim Benzema (France/Real Madrid) - 19 4 N'Golo Kante (France/Chelsea) - 15 5 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City), Jorginho (Italy/Chelsea) - 7 7 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain), Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus/Manchester United), Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool) - 6 10 Harry Kane (England/Tottenham Hotspur), Marco Verratti (Italy/Paris St Germain) - 2 12 Ilkay Gundogan (Germany/Manchester City) - 1 All voters voted for 5 players. Golden Ball positioned Messi has eight 1st place votes, Silver Ball positioned Lewandowski has two and De Bruyne has the other one (so in that case with 5 points per 1st place Jorginho would be in 5th alone and De Bruyne one point further back in a tie for 6th). Benzema is in Bronze Ball position with his highest placing being 3rd - he was voted in that place five times.
2020 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer/Reddit panel consensus 1 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 148 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 67 3 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City) - 36 4 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus) - 35 5 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 23 6 Neymar (Brazil/Paris St Germain) - 15.5 7 Manuel Neuer (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 14 8 Joshua Kimmich (Germany/Bayern Munich), Thomas Muller (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 12 10 Serge Gnabry (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 11 11 Sadio Mane (Senegal/Liverpool) - 7.5 12 Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool) - 5 13 Trent Alexander-Arnold (England/Liverpool), Karim Benzema (France/Real Madrid), Son Heung-min (South Korea/Tottenham Hotspur) - 2 16 Memphis Depay (Netherlands/Lyon), Harry Kane (England/Tottenham Hotspur), Jan Oblak (Slovenia/Atletico Madrid), Virgil van Dijk (Netherlands/Liverpool) - 1
2021 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer/Reddit panel consensus 1 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 124 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona/Paris St Germain) - 117 3 Karim Benzema (France/Real Madrid) - 43 4 N'Golo Kante (France/Chelsea) - 28 5 Jorginho (Italy/Chelsea) - 22 6 Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool) - 19 7 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus/Manchester United) - 10 8 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 9 9 Erling Haaland (Norway/Borussia Dortmund) - 8 10 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City) - 7 11 Luis Suarez (Uruguay/Atletico Madrid) - 3 12 Nicolo Barella (Italy/Inter Milan), Bruno Fernandes (Portugal/Manchester United), Harry Kane (England/Tottenham Hotspur), Marco Verratti (Italy/Paris St Germain) - 2 16 Ilkay Gundogan (Germany/Manchester City), Thiago Silva (Brazil/Chelsea) - 1
For the 2013 vote, between all Big Soccer and Reddit voters, I counted eleven 1st place votes to C.Ronaldo and ten to Messi (Ribery has close to as many as them too, and Robben has one), so with 5 points per 1st place instead of 6 the lead wouldn't change for the overall Big Soccer/Reddit vote, but would just reduce to 3 points and Ribery would just move a little bit closer to the top points total but stay in 3rd. For the 2018 vote it is Modric with nine 1st place votes, and C.Ronaldo and Messi with six each (in addition to three for Salah and two for Neymar from Big Soccer voters there is one for Griezmann from Reddit too), so again the overall lead from Big Soccer/Reddit votes doesn't change if using five points per 1st place. Messi was top from just Big Soccer voters for those years, but not when adding in the Reddit votes therefore. For 2021 Lewandowski has thirteen 1st places between Big Soccer and Reddit voters, and Messi has eleven (only De Bruyne has one still otherwise), so again that is a similar case where with either five or six points for 1st places Messi was ahead from just Big Soccer votes (though with a smaller gap with 5 points per 1st place), but when adding Reddit votes Lewandowski is ahead either way too (but with the points lead reduced to five if giving 5 points to 1st places).
I think I'm right in saying that for the Big Soccer only voting Eusebio and Charlton might still have the same number of 1st places each for 1966, but I am including one Reddit voter in that (if taking away the vote from that one Reddit voter who voted for years that far back Charlton would lose more points and a 1st place vote though, so if that was considered the tie breaker I guess Eusebio could be placed ahead...but it's a bit dubious to do it that way maybe, especially for an overall Big Soccer/Reddit vote - Eusebio was 3rd in the Reddit voters vote anyway with Artime 2nd, Moore 4th and Tostao 5th). For the 2002 Big Soccer vote I think Ronaldo has more 1st places than Zidane so with five points per 1st place Zidane would be ahead. If that was the tie breaker Zidane could be placed 1st for the Big Soccer vote, but Ronaldo is ahead anyway in the Big Soccer/Reddit vote overall.
My 2020 onwards: 20 Lewandowski, De Bruyne, Mbappe, Messi, Mane, 21 Messi, Lewandowski, De Bruyne, Kante, Jorginho,
Corresponding updates below.... 2020 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 76 2 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City), Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 33 4 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus) - 13 5 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 12 6 Serge Gnabry (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 10 7 Joshua Kimmich (Germany/Bayern Munich), Manuel Neuer (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 8 9 Sadio Mane (Senegal/Liverpool), Neymar (Brazil/Paris St Germain) - 5 11 Thomas Muller (Germany/Bayern Munich), Virgil van Dijk (Netherlands/Liverpool) - 1 2021 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona/Paris St Germain) - 65 2 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 50 3 Karim Benzema (France/Real Madrid) - 19 4 N'Golo Kante (France/Chelsea) - 17 5 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City) - 10 6 Jorginho (Italy/Chelsea) - 8 7 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain), Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus/Manchester United), Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool) - 6 10 Harry Kane (England/Tottenham Hotspur), Marco Verratti (Italy/Paris St Germain) - 2 12 Ilkay Gundogan (Germany/Manchester City) - 1 2020 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer/Reddit panel consensus 1 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 154 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona) - 69 3 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City) - 40 4 Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus) - 35 5 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 26 6 Neymar (Brazil/Paris St Germain) - 15.5 7 Manuel Neuer (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 14 8 Joshua Kimmich (Germany/Bayern Munich), Thomas Muller (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 12 10 Serge Gnabry (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 11 11 Sadio Mane (Senegal/Liverpool) - 8.5 12 Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool) - 5 13 Trent Alexander-Arnold (England/Liverpool), Karim Benzema (France/Real Madrid), Son Heung-min (South Korea/Tottenham Hotspur) - 2 16 Memphis Depay (Netherlands/Lyon), Harry Kane (England/Tottenham Hotspur), Jan Oblak (Slovenia/Atletico Madrid), Virgil van Dijk (Netherlands/Liverpool) - 1 2021 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer/Reddit panel consensus 1 Robert Lewandowski (Poland/Bayern Munich) - 128 2 Lionel Messi (Argentina/Barcelona/Paris St Germain) - 123 3 Karim Benzema (France/Real Madrid) - 43 4 N'Golo Kante (France/Chelsea) - 30 5 Jorginho (Italy/Chelsea) - 23 6 Mohamed Salah (Egypt/Liverpool) - 19 7 Kevin De Bruyne (Belgium/Manchester City), Cristiano Ronaldo (Portugal/Juventus/Manchester United) - 10 9 Kylian Mbappe (France/Paris St Germain) - 9 10 Erling Haaland (Norway/Borussia Dortmund) - 8 11 Luis Suarez (Uruguay/Atletico Madrid) - 3 12 Nicolo Barella (Italy/Inter Milan), Bruno Fernandes (Portugal/Manchester United), Harry Kane (England/Tottenham Hotspur), Marco Verratti (Italy/Paris St Germain) - 2 16 Ilkay Gundogan (Germany/Manchester City), Thiago Silva (Brazil/Chelsea) - 1
My contribution 2007 to 2022 2007 1-Kaká 2-Cristiano Ronaldo 3-Lionel Messi 4-Didier Drogba 5-Francesco Totti 2008 1-Cristiano Ronaldo 2-Lionel Messi 3-Fernando Torres 4-Xavi 5-Luca Toni 2009 1-Lionel Messi 2-Xavi 3-Samuel Eto'o 4-Andres Iniesta 5-Cristiano Ronaldo 2010 1-Lionel Messi 2-Wesley Sneijder 3-Andres Iniesta 4-Xavi 5-Luis Suárez 2011 1-Lionel Messi 2-Cristiano Ronaldo 3-Samuel Eto'o 4-Andres Iniesta 5-Wayne Rooney 2012 1-Lionel Messi 2-Cristiano Ronaldo 3-Neymar 4-Xavi 5-Andres Iniesta 2013 1-Lionel Messi 2-Cristiano Ronaldo 3-Franck Ribéry 4-Zlatan Ibrahimovic 5-Gareth Bale 2014 1-Cristiano Ronaldo 2-Lionel Messi 3-Arjen Robben 4-James Rodríguez 5-Ángel Di María 2015 1-Lionel Messi 2-Cristiano Ronaldo 3-Neymar 4-Luis Suárez 5-Kevin De Bruyne 2016 1-Lionel Messi 2-Cristiano Ronaldo 3-Luis Suárez 4-Neymar 5-Zlatan Ibrahimovic 2017 1-Cristiano Ronaldo 2-Lionel Messi 3-Neymar 4-Edinson Cavani 5-Antoine Griezmann 2018 1-Lionel Messi 2-Luka Modric 3-Cristiano Ronaldo 4-Mohamed Salah 5-Kylian Mbappé 2019 1-Lionel Messi 2-Eden Hazard 3-Virgil van Dijk 4-Kylian Mbappé 5-Robert Lewandowski 2020 1-Robert Lewandowski 2-Lionel Messi 3-Kylian Mbappé 4-Kevin De Bruyne 5-Sadio Mané 2021 1-Lionel Messi 2-Kylian Mbappé 3-Robert Lewandowski 4-Erling Haaland 5-Kevin De Bruyne 2022 1-Karim Benzema 2-Kylian Mbappé 3-Erling Haaland 4-Robert Lewandowski 5-Christopher Nkunku
Ballon d'Or of the 90s 1990: 1 Matthäus 2 Maradona 3 Brehme 4 Baresi 5 Gascoigne 1991: 1 Jean-Pierre Papin 2 Savićević 3 Pančev 4 Prosinečki 5 Matthäus 1992: 1 van Basten 2 Stoichkov 3 Bergkamp 4 Peter Schmeichel 5 koeman 1993: 1 Baggio 2 Bergkamp 3 Romário 4 Boksic 5 Laudrup 1994: 1 Romário 2 Stoichkov 3 Maldini 4 Baggio 5 Hagi 1995: 1 Litmanen 2 Weah 3 Klinsmann 4 Del Piero 5 Maldini 1996: 1 Ronaldo 2 Sammer 3 Cantona 4 Del Piero 5 Shearer/Weah 1997: 1 Ronaldo 2 Zidane 3 Bergkamp 4 Roberto Carlos 5 Mijatović 1998: 1 Zidane 2 Suker 3 Ronaldo 4 Owen 5 Rivaldo 1999: 1 Rivaldo 2 Beckham 3 Shevchenko 4 Keane 5 Batistuta Sorry for taking so long to cast my votes, but it was not easy for me to choose in this decade. I really think it's a slightly overrated decade. I think there was more talent in other decades.
Thanks mate, I'll update the 90s standings later. I'm not really sure I'd agree but like I said before maybe this thread shouldn't be for arguing lol....although perhaps a wider discussion about which decade was the most stacked would be interesting and add something, I don't know (on the other hand it could open a can of worms...and lead to discussion of the game inherantly improving, moving on, including in terms of developing 'talent', or not and perhaps even declining...and maybe we had too many of those discussions on the forum already). I feel like if talent refers to technical skills then the 90s was pretty well off though myself with various players, moreso than in terms of overall effectiveness of players perhaps even, but I would say that there probably weren't very many players who were consistently very good through the whole decade, so in that sense other decades would have more candidates.... - obviously when we talk of players with technical skills and also consistency/longevity then there is always overlap from one decade to another though and especially with the 90s (from the 80s, and into the 00s) maybe? Nice to get your continued votes anyway; I'm sure IceBlood agrees and is happy to see them.
Thanks mate, I'll update the 00s and 2010s standings this morning probably, and also the pair of years using your 2020 and 2021 lists (2022 will be done early in the New Year probably, as both on Big Soccer and Reddit it is a mixture of some people waiting longer to consider the full calendar year and some already sending votes based on the 21/22 season only).
It probably makes sense to do it chronologically (and is better for IceBlood I guess, doing the summaries after my posts), and also it's good I think to re-post the complete set of 90s voting summaries now with an update, since they had become a bit fragmented (one update for 1990 and 1991 after Carlito voted on those years; another one for 1998 and 1999 after Danko voted on those years) so it's good to get them all in one post again. So I'll do the 90s update first (factoring in the new votes of anamnesis) - these include two or three votes from Reddit voters (three from 1997 onwards), but I've not started doing any separate lists yet anyway (just to clarify - there are quite a lot more Reddit voters for the 00s and especially the 2010s, so for those decades and the next years, there is one update for purely Big Soccer votes and another including all the Reddit ones too): 1990 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Lothar Matthaus (W.Germany/Inter Milan) - 110 2 Diego Maradona (Argentina/Napoli) - 60 3 Franco Baresi (Italy/AC Milan) - 45 4 Andreas Brehme (W.Germany/Inter Milan) - 28 5 Salvatore Schilaci (Italy/Juventus) - 15 6 Paul Gascoigne (England/Tottenham Hotspur) - 13 7 Marco van Basten (Netherlands/AC Milan) - 4 8 Roberto Baggio (Italy/Fiorentina/Juventus), Sergio Goycochea (Argentina/Millonarios/Racing Club de Avellanados), Frank Rijkaard (Netherlands/AC Milan), Dragan Stojkovic (Yugoslavia/Red Star Belgrade/Marseille) - 3 12 Jean-Pierre Papin (France/Marseille) - 2 13 John Barnes (England/Liverpool), Guido Buchwald (W.Germany/Stuttgart), Jurgen Kohler (W.Germany/Bayern Munich) - 1 1991 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Jean-Pierre Papin (France/Marseille) - 88 2 Lothar Matthaus (Germany/Inter Milan) - 63 3 Dejan Savicevic (Yugoslavia/Red Star Belgrade) - 58 4 Robert Prosinecki (Yugoslavia/Red Star Belgrade) - 22 5 Darko Pancev (Yugoslavia/Red Star Belgrade) - 19.5 6 Chris Waddle (England/Marseille) - 8.5 7 Gianluca Vialli (Italy/Sampdoria) - 5.5 8 Frank Rijkaard (Netherlands/AC Milan) - 3 9 Michael Laudrup (Denmark/Barcelona) - 2.5 10 Claudio Caniggia (Argentina/Atalanta), Hugo Sanchez (Mexico/Real Madrid) - 2 12 Stefan Effenberg (Germany/Bayern Munich), Romario (Brazil/PSV Eindhoven) - 1 1992 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Marco van Basten (Netherlands/AC Milan) - 77 2 Hristo Stoichkov (Bulgaria/Barcelona) - 55 3 Michael Laudrup (Denmark/Barcelona) - 48 4 Dennis Bergkamp (Netherlands/Ajax) - 36 5 Peter Schmeichel (Denmark/Manchester United) - 23 6 Frank Rijkaard (Netherlands/AC Milan) - 4.5 7 Rai (Brazil/Sao Paulo) - 4 8 Ronald Koeman (Netherlands/Barcelona) - 3.5 9 Bebeto (Brazil/Vasco da Gama/Deportivo La Coruna) - 3 10 Thomas Hassler (Germany/Roma) - 2.5 11 Franco Baresi (Italy/AC Milan), Ruud Gullit (Netherlands/AC Milan), Brian Laudrup (Denmark/Bayern Munich/Fiorentina) - 1 14 Enzo Scifo (Belgium/Torino) - 0.5 1993 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Roberto Baggio (Italy/Juventus) - 100 2 Dennis Bergkamp (Netherlands/Ajax/Inter Milan), Romario (Brazil/PSV Eindhoven/Barcelona) - 38 4 Eric Cantona (France/Manchester United), Michael Laudrup (Denmark/Barcelona) - 26 6 Franco Baresi (Italy/AC Milan), Alen Boksic (Croatia/Marseille/Lazio) - 6 8 Paolo Maldini (Italy/AC Milan), Hristo Stoichkov (Bulgaria/Barcelona) - 5 10 Abedi Pele (Ghana/Marseille/Lyon) - 4 11 Bebeto (Brazil/Deportivo La Coruna), Basile Boli (France/Marseille), Rai (Brazil/Sao Paulo/Paris St Germain), Peter Schmeichel (Denmark/Manchester United), Carlos Valderrama (Colombia/Independiente Medellin/Atletico Junior) - 1 1994 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Romario (Brazil/Barcelona) - 94 2 Hristo Stoichkov (Bulgaria/Barcelona) - 60 3 Roberto Baggio (Italy/Juventus) - 47 4 Paolo Maldini (Italy/AC Milan) - 38.5 5 Gheorghe Hagi (Romania/Brescia/Barcelona) - 10.5 6 Franco Baresi (Italy/AC Milan) - 2.5 7 Jurgen Klinsmann (Germany/Monaco/Tottenham Hotspur) - 2 8 Tomas Brolin (Sweden/Parma) - 1.5 9 Eric Cantona (France/Manchester United), Michael Laudrup (Denmark/Barcelona/Real Madrid) - 1 11 Bebeto (Brazil/Deportivo La Coruna), Ruud Gullit (Netherlands/Sampdoria/AC Milan) - 0.5 1995 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Jari Litmanen (Finland/Ajax) - 66 2 George Weah (Liberia/Paris St Germain/AC Milan) - 62 3 Jurgen Klinsmann (Germany/Tottenham Hotspur/Bayern Munich) - 36 4 Michael Laudrup (Denmark/Real Madrid) - 25 5 Paolo Maldini (Italy/AC Milan) - 18 6 Matthias Sammer (Germany/Borussia Dortmund) - 9 7 Gianfranco Zola (Italy/Parma) - 8 8 Frank Rijkaard (Netherlands/Ajax) - 7 9 Patrick Kluivert (Netherlands/Ajax) - 5 10 Alessandro Del Piero (Italy/Juventus), Enzo Francescoli (Uruguay/River Plate), Dejan Savicevic (Yugoslavia/AC Milan) - 4 13 Gabriel Batistuta (Argentina/Fiorentina), Gianluca Vialli (Italy/Juventus) - 3 15 Marc Overmars (Netherlands/Ajax), Alan Shearer (England/Blackburn Rovers) - 2 17 Ivan Zamorano (Chile/Real Madrid) - 1 1996 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Ronaldo (Brazil/PSV Eindhoven/Barcelona) - 68 2 Matthias Sammer (Germany/Borussia Dortmund) - 64 3 George Weah (Liberia/AC Milan) - 30.5 4 Alan Shearer (England/Blackburn Rovers/Newcastle United) - 26.5 5 Jurgen Klinsmann (Germany/Bayern Munich) - 16 6 Alessandro Del Piero (Italy/Juventus) - 12 7 Jari Litmanen (Finland/Ajax) - 10 8 Eric Cantona (France/Manchester United) - 9 9 Davor Suker (Croatia/Sevilla/Real Madrid) - 4 10 Jose Luis Chilavert (Paraguay/Velez Sarsfield) - 3 1997 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Ronaldo (Brazil/Barcelona/Inter Milan) - 102 2 Zinedine Zidane (France/Juventus) - 52 3 Dennis Bergkamp (Netherlands/Arsenal) - 29 4 Roberto Carlos (Brazil/Real Madrid) - 28 5 Predrag Mijatovic (Yugoslavia/Real Madrid) - 16 6 Andreas Moller (Germany/Borussia Dortmund), Peter Schmeichel (Denmark/Manchester United) - 6 8 Gianfranco Zola (Italy/Parma/Chelsea) - 4 9 Alessandro Del Piero (Italy/Juventus), Romario (Brazil/Valencia/Flamengo), Marcelo Salas (Chile/River Plate) - 3 12 Luis Figo (Portugal/Barcelona), Jurgen Kohler (Germany/Borussia Dortmund), Rivaldo (Brazil/Deportivo La Coruna/Barcelona), Alan Shearer (England/Newcastle United), Davor Suker (Croatia/Real Madrid) - 1 1998 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Zinedine Zidane (France/Juventus) - 98 2 Ronaldo (Brazil/Inter Milan) - 73 3 Davor Suker (Croatia/Real Madrid) - 33 4 Dennis Bergkamp (Netherlands/Arsenal) - 25 5 Rivaldo (Brazil/Barcelona) - 17 6 Lilian Thuram (France/Parma) - 7 7 Alessandro Del Piero (Italy/Juventus), Michael Owen (England/Liverpool) - 5 9 Gabriel Batistuta (Argentina/Fiorentina) - 4 10 Fabien Barthez (France/Monaco), Predrag Mijatovic (Yugoslavia/Real Madrid) - 3 12 Roberto Carlos (Brazil/Real Madrid) - 2 13 Edgar Davids (Netherlands/AC Milan/Juventus) - 1 1999 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus 1 Rivaldo (Brazil/Barcelona) - 98 2 David Beckham (England/Manchester United) - 68 3 Andriy Shevchenko (Ukraine/Dynamo Kiev/AC Milan) - 36 4 Luis Figo (Portugal/Barcelona) - 27 5 Gabriel Batistuta (Argentina/Fiorentina) - 18 6 Roy Keane (Republic of Ireland/Manchester United) - 15 7 Raul (Spain/Real Madrid) - 8 8 Zinedine Zidane (France/Juventus) - 2 9 Lothar Matthaus (Germany/Bayern Munich), Christian Vieri (Italy/Lazio), Dwight Yorke (Trinidad & Tobago/Aston Villa/Manchester United) - 1
I think, with 5 points per 1st place (traditional system), Litmanen would still be ahead (with a slightly bigger gap even) of Weah in 1995, but Sammer would be ahead of Ronaldo in 1996 btw. Interestingly, going in the middle and valuing 1st places at 5.5 points would put them level by my calculations now (but Ronaldo having more 1st places might be seen as the tie breaker anyway in that case...and nobody is suggesting 5.5 points for 1st places for that matter!). I guess it's decided we use 6 points primarily now though - maybe in reality going forwards in the real Ballon d'Or 1st places would still be a tie breaker (in favour of those with more 1st places) even with 6 points per 1st place, but I'm not sure - we'll see when it ever occurs I guess.
The two Reddit voters who voted for those years gave equal points to Weah and Litmanen for the 95 Ballon d'Or too (one 1st place each, and one 2nd place each). They gave Ronaldo two more 1st places between them, and Sammer a 2nd and 3rd though, so in theory on purely Big Soccer votes Sammer would be ahead too (but only by a point if using 6 points per 1st place). So like with Eusebio in 1966 he'd be the leader for purely 'Big Soccer only voting' if separating out the few (one for 1966) Reddit votes into a Big Soccer/Reddit results list (and in that list Charlton/Eusebio would be tied for 1966's standings, and Ronaldo would lead the 1996 standings). Hopefully that's not too difficult to follow! I'm not really saying two separate lists should be shown for pre-2000 years though, unless you think so IceBlood, but just adding some more detail and info....
For pure technique it is too generous to say the 90s was the best IMO A portion of it was the other portion had better athletes id argue The period between world cup 1990 and world cup 1994 had the highest concentration of world class technicians performing at top level at any one time in football history There were roughly 10 Zidane level technicians in this period Amongst them Roberto baggio Gheorge Hagi Dennis bergkamp Dejan savecevic Rai Dragan stojkovic Romario de souza Enzo francescoli Micheal laudrup Marco van basten Were all 8 or 9 out of 10 in football technique Another 10 or so not that far behind in technique Amongst them Chris waddle Eric cantona John Barnes Ruud gullit Robert Prosinečki George weah Zola Ryan giggs Etc For the purist it should be the best level of football 1995 to 2000 had some clones of the previous mini era(Del piero vs baggio there is a difference to the trained eye) but football was already moving towards a more physical as opposed to technically based endeavour The most balanced era id argue between technique and physicality was the period between world cup 2006 and world cup 2010 Amongst them being Ricardo Kaka Cristiano Ronaldo Lionel Messi Andres iniesta Arjen robben Zlatan ibrahimovic Cesc Fabregas Xavi Hernandez Wesley sneidjer It already had the super tier 1 athletes and also players with shades of the 1990-1994 era This was also the last ever football era that wasn't stat based Today(2022) there is Messi/Neymar Players who are past it/recently retired Great athletes Pretenders And others who flatter to deceive
That's probably mostly fair, and I know you have become pretty familiar with many early 90s players now (hence voting on 1990 and 1991 in this thread), although I suppose there is always a mix of technical and athletic players in any era, and some of those players were also quick and to an extent athletic (Van Basten although maybe moreso in the 80s, young Bergkamp, Savicevic, Michael Laudrup that you listed there; and then there is the impressive athlete, when not injured, Gullit, powerful runner Matthaus, powerful shooter/runner Batistuta, powerful shooter Shearer etc). Among the top notch players at least I guess the mid 60s would come into it for a mix of both - Pele, Eusebio, Bobby Charlton, the speed and skill of young Cruyff and Beckenbauer etc, the technically adroit Rivera, the talented and quick Best and suchlike too.... EDIT - Being fair, Matthaus, at least as a powerful runner, might be more suitable as an 80s player in general maybe I should add (Baresi and to some extent Gullit similarly in terms of decline from peak athleticism and energetic running), or with 1990 as the 'end' anyway pretty much in terms of that rather than carrying on into virtually mid 90s - Matthaus did score some quality goals back at Bayern Munich though after he left Inter so still could offer something as a footballer and hadn't become completely immobile or something obviously (and with dribbling agility maybe as good as ever), or really slow. Being fair too (another edit lol!) maybe the same should be said about Stojkovic in general as a player - 1990 being the end of the peak period perhaps, for various reasons, although he retained his technical excellence in terms of ball playing at least I think pretty much and did very well still in the mid 90s albeit at club level playing in Japan. But yeah, probably fair to classify him more as late 80s to 1990 as a top level player who was a great technician, a bit like Matthaus as a top level player who was a great athlete around the same time.
I agree But stretching this to Cruyff and best is too much Its like saying Platini and Maradona were of the same generation Or Neymar and Cristiano Ronaldo Contemporaries yes but same era not so much Platini is actually of the generation of rivelino who was an idol to Maradona growing up It's complicated even for me making the distinction between contemporaries and players of the same generation