Victims of a Campaign- The Other Footy Teams Thread

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  1. casoccerdad47

    casoccerdad47 Member+

    Mar 31, 2006
    I assume offensively De Jong would be fine as a single pivot, I’m not sure he is good enough defensively to play that role.

    Re Eriksen, my memory may be failing me, but didn't sp*rs often play him on the wing?
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    I meant more he could play that 8 role like City have, if there were a true 6
     
  3. CarlosKaiser

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    I think you are ultimately looking for a balance of skills from your midfield, athleticism, defense, press resistance, progressive passing, ability to carry, etc. You have to build a midfield that complements each other. Like Coquelin had the workrate and defending while Cazorla did all the technical stuff. It's why Xhaka has struggled so often when he doesn't have the right partner. Some sides have to flood the midfield with 3 players to cover all the skills needed. And some have one midfielder who is OP enough to do multiple roles which unleashes other midfielders to attack.
     
  4. DaPrince84

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    The problem with Coqzola was they both did the same job that Partey does.
     
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  5. thebigman

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    Xhaka is playing higher up and it suits him. He’s always been a great passer but got ran by deeper. I think he’s playing the best he has at arsenal consistently since we went with him and ode as 8s

    also, @yossarian he had a free role at Brentford. They use solid cms and 3 at the back but he would’ve been their floating playmaker

    at Utd he can’t play that role as they need him higher up. I’m beginning to think ten haag might be a fraud
     
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  6. TitoTata

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    I’ve always liked him .. guess he’s under pressure now from Zinchenko
     
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  7. daedalus

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    not really. if he's healthy, xhaka will start. i think arteta, like most of his coaches, sees him as an extension of himself on pitch.

    i do think zinchenko is a natural replacement - probably a better fit for that 6/8 spot - for xhaka if/when he decides to leave, though.
     
  8. NorthBank

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    Nah I think the Twitter purchase was serious. Serious drunken stupidity.
     
  9. CarlosKaiser

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    Nottingham Forest aren't messing around. 16 new signings, their latest of £44.5m on Gibbs-White takes their total spending this summer to over £150m. I don't think they intend to get relegated.
     
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  10. ArsenalMetro

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    They're absolutely going to get relegated.

    Like half of their Championship starters were on loan, so a lot of these purchases are just getting back to zero.

    Fulham 2018-19 spent about £105 million just to end up with 26 points.
     
  11. chjoak

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    Forest has made some potentially good signings. The problem is they have made 16. that many new guys in the squad can be hard to manage. Works in FIFA but not often in real life. They looked decent on opening weekend. The question becomes whether they can keep that up and start to gel as a group.
     
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  12. TitoTata

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    But Zinchenko is going to start every game now .. either LWB or midfield or LB when needed

    Gonna be some interesting selection problems .. Smith -Rowe looks to be 12th or 13th best player now
     
  13. NorthBank

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    Unless they follow fulham’s example?
     
  14. CarlosKaiser

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    Forest do not intend to get relegated =/= Forest will not get relegated

    Fulham bought Sari that summer for £27m and they just released him this summer on a free.

    Fulham and Bournmouth's net spend this summer is £25-30m, you'd have to say they are both good shouts to go down. And if Man U get relegated Forest is safe :)

    Odds-makers were not high on Leeds after losing Philips and Raphinha but I think they spent well and survive. Soton could get dragged into it. The longer Everton keep Lampard, the more at risk they become.
     
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  15. ArsenalMetro

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    The difference is that Fulham actually has a decent team already. Forest wasn't built to get promoted - 7 of the 14 players from the Championship final are gone, 5 of them from the starting XI; 1 was sold, 1 went on loan, 5 went back to their parent clubs.

    Just getting back to having a filled-out starting XI is a £100 million project on its own.

    If they didn't spent as much as they have, they'd be serious contenders for Derby's low-points record.
     
  16. daedalus

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    so united couldn't work out contracts with rabiot. i sort of thought negotiating with the mother would make things wonky from the get to.

    according to romano, they have pivoted to casemiro and it's supposed to be 60 + 10 and they have agreed to a 4-year contract with the player. so, apparently, he is making the decision tomorrow and i guess this evening is both club playing the recruiting game.

    good buy? bad buy?

    PS - make it a drinking game. every time romano says the contract is not double, you take a shot.
     
  17. chjoak

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    From what I read Rabiot was demanding too high a salary. I didnt see a number but it must have been huge if it was too much for ManU.

    Casemiro may be good for them but 60 + 10 is insane for a 30yo DM.
     
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  18. daedalus

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    i dig what you're saying but i also think @CarlosKaiser has a point. they could have sat there and gone with norwich's much safer route: take their lumps for a year and enjoy that premier league money, go back down and enjoy that parachute money, rinse, lather, and repeat. instead, they went all out.

    and it feels like some smart buys in the 21-25 range that they can spin off for a profit if it doesn't work out. i think emmanuel dennis was a great get, especially for the price. remo whatever is the only older dude they spent money on. lindgard and kouyate have plenty of premier league experience and came on a free (which means i assume wages aren't low on either).
     
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  19. ArsenalJake

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    I am absolutely loving what isn't happening at yanited right now.

    Rabiot???

    To quote the 1980s playground . . . He and what army are coming in to save them?
     
  20. daedalus

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    romano was saying high wages plus large sign on. if i am not mistaken, with the tax they face, a foreign player would need a pretty large hike to receive the same net as they would have in spain or italy, right?

    is casemiro good enough to be the lone pivot and allow them to let eriksen and fernandes free roles? i mean, i'm sure he'll be an upgrade from fred but how much of an improvement?
     
  21. casoccerdad47

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    The article I saw, which appeared to be quoting Romeno suggested they were offering a five year contract at £360,000 per week. They keep repeating the same mistake, plugging holes in their squad with aging Galacticos, Ronaldo, Varane and now possibly Casemiro.
     
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  22. mebeSajid

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    They're such a mess that those are the only players they can get to sign for them - aging stars looking for a last pay day.
     
  23. ArsenalJake

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    The ManU board is straight up depressing to read right now. I highly recommend it! :ROFLMAO:
     
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  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    It's interesting they don't seem to be prepared to go the arsenal route and sign younger players who might become elite ...

    Not being able to land de Jong seems pretty incompetent given how they announced him as their top target of the summer
     
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  25. daedalus

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    eh, it's possible/likely xhaka will be rested for zinchenko but i don't think he's lost his spot in the rotation where zinchenko is "going to start every game". xhaka would need to seriously fuckerate to lose his spot in arteta's rotation and i don't see it happening.

    smith-rowe is also not fully healthy so he's not able to compete fully. i think he and martinelli are still even in their standing but they bring different things and i think their usage will be based on needs. i do think smith-rowe is the better off-the-bench option, though.
     
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