Post-match: FC Dallas - San Jose Earthquakes (Saturday, 8/13) postgame thread [R]

Highlight of the show for me was when they were talking about our chance to break the all-time record for goals allowed in a season. Kind of hilarious (if it wasn't so pathetic).

 

Yeah, unlike Driussi and Ferreira, Jebo doesn’t get to earn soft goals against the Quakes defense.

 

Imagine if Covelo did this? Wonder if this will really help ManU…

Erik ten Hag cancelled a planned day off for his Man United players after losing 4-0 to Brentford.

He ordered his players to cover 8.5 miles during extra training, pointing out that Brentford had run 8.5 miles more than they had during the game 😳 pic.twitter.com/fBenTTnS9I

— ESPN UK (@ESPNUK) August 14, 2022

 

I dunno. Maybe this really is the last time. Time to not put my money where my mouth is.

 

True dat.

 

Maybe not, but it will reinforce that the last match's effort was not acceptable.

 

OK, I watched the whole game finally. I think overall the score flattered FCD.

The Quakes didn't play that badly and actually had the better run of play in some ways in the 1st half. I know but it was 3-0 at the end of the half, Jazzy, what kinds of drugs are you on anyway!. Well, FTR it's a natural high, but as I was saying, the Quakes had the ball in the final 3rd quite a bit. They just need to convert those instances into chances by taking a chance. Take a shot, try a diagonal cross, etc. Don't waste it. We also had a number of corners and Espinoza's corners were not too bad this game. There were a couple of really ticky tacky fouls called on the Quakes in the Dallas box to ruin chances and TT got fouled pretty clearly at the top of the box and no call.

Defensively, although we gave up 4 goals, which is awful, they were more about individual mistakes or bad luck than "systemic" breakdowns. I think we actually gave up less "big chances" or whatever they're called this game. Maybe 2(?-just a guess), whereas against Austin I think it was 6 and it's often frighteningly high. First FCD goal was a Nathan screwup, 2nd was a ball JT would normally get, 3rd - there were 4 Quakes converging on Ferreira and, he tried to pass, and the ball pinged around and fell to his feet and wound up in the goal. 4th was a banger - can't do much about that.

As for performances, focusing on the positives:

- Benji looked very dangerous in the 1st half and was unlucky not to have a goal or assist for his efforts.

- Overall maybe not a great game again, but towards the end of the 1st half, Yueill started hitting those long line-breaking passes again. Hadn't seen that with any regularity in forever.

- Skahan did well when he came in, although he looks uncomfortable using his left foot.

- Niko did pretty well also. He really shows for the ball - good work rate, and has the ability to attack the defense and then distribute. Monteiro doesn't do that much.

- Cade had a better game and picked his spots a little better instead of trying to run thru 3 guys every time he has the ball.

- Judson was fine - I don't see the massive drop in form that Matt Doyle is talking about.

 

Wife, friends (Quakes season ticket buddies) and I and I were up in the hills the last few nights trying to catch a few meteors during the Perseid shower. We were pretty much stymied by the full moon, but, had some success.

Back at home now and just finished watching the game.

High points:
1.) Jebo's goal!
2,) DVR fast forward!
3.) Last night we saw the most amazing fireball meteor of our lives!! Red/ orange, traveling SLOWLY East - West (first saw it behind Lick Observatory). Lasted around 4 - 5 seconds!! Absolutely amazing

Low points;
1.) Looking forward to then watching the the Quakes.

 

Really, being selected for the all-star game caused Cade to not progress? His weaknesses were evident and spoken of prior to that. Speed is important, but, only gets you so far, a lack of touch and football smarts is what is holding Cade back. I am still hoping he can improve, but, I have more confidence that Niko and Cruz will make the leap to stardom.

 

I think shitty coaching is what is stymying Cade's development...

 

Even in club ball, if a rising star showed a weakness, the coaches, the player, and the family would work even harder with said player to develop and improve on the weakness. If Cade had identified weaknesses even before the All Star game in 2021, why does it appear that nothing has changed - and may have gotten a bit worse? We all keep looking for improvement that isn't happening.

 

It’s a 2-factor equation though - the coaching can only go so far. The player has to do it at the end of the day. We don’t know what kind of coaching he’s receiving. I’m sure Wondo and Ralston are working with him - let’s see, that would MLS all-time goal scorer and MLS all-time assist leader. Doesn’t mean they’re good coaches necessarily but they certainly know what it takes.

I think a lot if it is psychological. He is simply pressing too much. It could be that the Quakes are working with him on that as well. JT has talked about working on the mental aspect of his game - learning to live in the moment, etc. My guess is that the club is working with him on that but not sure.

 

It's a huge part of the coach's job to make sure each and every player is in the right mental frame to play. Cade Cowell is a kid. Extra attention is required. The Quakes invested several hundred thousand per year in him; hire a personal mental guru to work with him.

Also, Covelo's teams don't always show up to play when the game starts. In Sacramento, Salt Lake, at home against Miami, in Dallas, among others. That's on the coach. When motivated, as against Seattle and in Carson, they have won.

 

Did you guys see my post in the All-Star thread? Brandon Vazquez attributed his growth as a forward to Dom Kinnear’s one-on-one coaching at Cincinnati. But in Cade’s case, not having a football brain is a big obstacle, and not having one yet may indicate he may never develop one.

https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/m...ostgame-thread-r.2122058/page-6#post-40699317

 

I don’t think any of us know the extent to which the Quakes mentor him, from Wondo to Ralston to sports psychologist to personal guru. And at the end of the day he’s gotta do it on the field. He’s only 18 - there are going to be ups and downs - something TT talked about his dad teaching him, and I’m sure TT has passed that on. Let’s let Cade work it out. Expecting perfectly monotonically increasing performance from a young player could actually hinder their growth as it just adds more pressure which can lead to more pressing and more poor performance. It’s a zen thing in end - always!

 

If Dom can be an effective coach for forward / attacking player I can’t believe that Wondo couldn’t also be. I don’t think Cade has a shortage of mentors.

 

Well, I'm proud to say that my wife and I watched (Ok, she fell asleep) the game last night even though I knew the final score. On a positive note, we made Dallas look really good. Otherwise, more of the same.

I won't go into specific players, but I will note that several of the players were walking at times in the second half. I know the weather was brutal, but they should be playing for their jobs at this moment.

There was no MOTM and my prediction of 2-3 wins for the remainder of the season may actually be on the high side.

Nice to see some of us are still blaming coaches (even those no longer here).

 

It's all Almeyda's fault!

/s

 

It seems like Jebo might be benefitting from SJE coaching. Or maybe it’s because, as Matt Doyle claims, Jebo has carte blanche to be the center forward no matter if he makes any mistakes. So maybe Jebo’s improvement just comes down to having so much playing time. It would be really nice to find out to what factors Jebo attributes his improvement this season.

 

Improvement? Jebo is same guy he’s always been.

Wondo didn’t “improve” in 2010. He got to play.

Talent evaluation is an art, not a science.

 

You can’t be serious

 

i am serious, and don’t call me Shirley!

 

You mean Surly?

 

Curmudgeonly.

 

In his 3rd year at Portland, the first year he started getting significant minutes, Jebo scored 11 goals in about the same number of minutes he has this season. The following year, 2020, he scored 8 goals in around 1000 minutes, which is even a higher goals / 90 than he has this season. 2021 he had that concussion and the trade and it was a messed up year. So really he's been the same guy once he started getting significant minutes. His productivity has been pretty consistent. And he didn't even get to play center forward a lot at Portland as they played various international "heroes" there.