Lineups, Formations, Tactics, Stats, etc.

Discussion in 'San Jose Earthquakes' started by xbhaskarx, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, we take too many chances going to ground. It's a better now that Calvo is gone, but Nathan does it also. Also, when Covelo joined one of the changes was that we were going to have the "non-attacking" FB slide into the center on counters to try to help defend them. On that first goal, it's not clear who was the "forward FB". Lopez came back into the play too late to make a difference. TT was in there trying to defend the guy on the outside. Yueill was kind of trailing the same guy and didn't pick up Loffelsend, who saw Remedii go to ground and went off to the races. TT switched to Loffelsend after Nathan took himself out of the play but didn't have the speed to catch him. Loffelsend had a full head of steam, a bit of a lead and pretty good speed.
     
  2. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m watching the Whitecraps versus Nashville. (Need an insulting moniker for them.)

    Vancouver suck, but they are better disciplined and more focused than us. They’re down 1 to nil at the half.

    Still, they are playing on short rest, after going 120 minutes and a shootout the Hosers just a couple of nights ago. They made seven changes to their lineup. They looked tired for the first twenty minutes, but then they woke up. I think they are better organized and better disciplined than us. Nashville attacked relentlessly for the first twenty minutes, and Vancouver have given up only one goal.

    We can aspire to that level of discipline.

    Also, Nashville’s announcers do not suck.

    Go Quakesfans!!
     
  3. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Maybe a play on the old Lovin' Spoonful tune: Nashville Rats?
     
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  4. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Quakes are second in ground duels won... :thumbsup:
    ...and it no longer correlates to winning in MLS because every team is doing it :thumbsdown:



     
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  6. run_it_out

    run_it_out Member+

    Earthquakes
    United States
    Jun 19, 2018
    If I had to bet, for such a dramatic reversal to happen it's likely to be some kind of change in measurement. I.e. defining what is a ground duel and what it means to win one, and who is deciding this.
     
  7. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah I am skeptical about drawing grand conclusions until we see a few more years. If it was a thing for 9 years and then not so much the last few years is it really “gone” or have the last 2 years been an anomaly.

    Could possibly be about a kind of maturity of play. For example NYFC plays possession really well and their success is probably not all that bound to winning the ball back on defense.
     
  8. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Maybe a better metric is where the fuels are won on the field…a successful high pressing team vs a low block defensive team.
     
  9. chris thebassplayer

    Feb 18, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
  10. nivla

    nivla Member+

    Jan 17, 2003
    Milpitas
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    What's good about winning the duels when you give the ball away immediately. See Remedi and Nathan.
     
  11. Boysinblue

    Boysinblue Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yea I'd be interested in the correlation between PPG and "duels won where teams keep the ball 5 seconds after winning it"
     
  12. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I’d like to see where Jebo is in that. An under-appreciated aspect of his game is how well he does with his holdup play - receiving the ball under pressure, making a good touch and distributing successfully. Certainly he’d be showing better than Jordan Morris there with 65% pressured pass completion.
     
  14. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Assville, and Nashville is a fun team to watch, good cohesion and influx of players. Austin is another team that's figured it out, North Carolina is going to have it all figured out next year as wel.

    Everyone has an upward trend but us.
     
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  15. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nashville and Austin have yet to figure out how to beat the Quakes.
     
  16. markmcf8

    markmcf8 Member+

    Oct 18, 1999
    Vancouver, WA, USA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Even Cinncy are on the upswing after years of futility.

    That’s what happens when your owners give a crap.

    Go Quakesfans!!
     
  17. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Cinci is another team yet to defeat the Quakes.
     
  18. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Not that many years. They had 3 years before this year.
     
  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cincy was the worst franchise in MLS history over their first three years in the league, finishing dead last in all three years and breaking the record for most goals allowed... their PPG was around 0.66 over all three years combined.

    Now just one year later they're competing for a playoff spot, with the best performing attacking trio in the whole league... which shows just how fast you can turn things around in MLS if you combine spending money with hiring the right people (Chris Albright technical director, Pat Noonan coach, both hired away from assistant roles with the Philadelphia Union), signing the right players, developing players (Vazquez), etc. They're far from being a MLS powerhouse, but they're on a good trajectory.
     
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  20. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #1445 JazzyJ, Aug 19, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 19, 2022
    I’m not denying they’ve turned it around. But the expression “for years!” suggests a lot more than 3 to my ears.
     
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  21. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Didn’t the Quakes turn it around in 2012? Let’s check back and see where Cinci is in a few.
     
  22. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    FWIW the Quakes went from 3rd to last to one of the best ever MLS teams in 2011 -> 2012, so we know that massive turnarounds are possible in MLS year to year. I hear people say that parity holds the league back. Holds it back from what? Not from being a league where your team can go from 0 to 60 in a year. I like it.
     
  23. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Hah! Just posted about 2011-12 but you beat me to it.
     
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  24. Boysinblue

    Boysinblue Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minnesota have yet to figure out how to beat(or even tie) the Quakes sans MA.
     
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  25. Scott Rohde

    Scott Rohde Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 28, 2018
    C
    Minnesota couldn't beat a Stahre led Quakes either.
     

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