Johnny Futbol: The John Brooks Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by ImaPuppy, Jun 16, 2014.

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Where does John Brooks sit in your USMNT Depth Chart?

  1. Dead lock starting CB

    3 vote(s)
    3.6%
  2. In CB rotation

    31 vote(s)
    36.9%
  3. Backup CB

    13 vote(s)
    15.5%
  4. Fringe

    16 vote(s)
    19.0%
  5. Not on the plane to Qatar

    21 vote(s)
    25.0%
  1. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Damn. Well, we can close this thread, probably forever.
     
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  2. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Got his bag.Respect.
     
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  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Well................if that ends up happening, then I'm glad he's found an opportunity.
    The World Cup is gone. He was seemingly hanging on by a thread anyway.

    The Gregg haters may have to admit that he was right on this one.
     
  4. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    In another tweet, he claims that his agent has confirmed that the deal is until 2025 and that he arrives on Friday for his medical.

    I am skeptical -- if only because his profile says he's a journalist for Essex Live, which is the online site for an obscure local Essex paper called the Essex Chronicle, but I cannot find any evidence of a George Jack working at either. And I can't find any tweets from him dating back further than a couple weeks ago.
     
  5. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The latest claim will be that Gregg has alienated Brooks so hard that he's just going to look for his payday regardless of the competition of the league, and that he is still our best CB (or at worst second best).

    Which, you know, might HAVE some truth in it... but again, until the book comes out in ten years, we have very little to go on.

    It is too bad though, because a Brooks starting in a good league is definitely in my top 4 CB pool.
     
  6. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    He's still the same player in Saudi Arabia. I've hardly been a Brooks supporter, but unless he's hurt or fell off a cliff, this really shouldn't change the dynamic massively.

    Yes, he's not facing as good competition day to day, but that's not the only factor. He's not going to forget how to pass or something.
     
  7. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh, I'm going to push back a little bit on this.

    A lot of Brooks' issues are his concentration and his propensity to ball watch. That would be less glaring/punished in Saudi Arabia than in Germany or even the Netherlands or Turkey. I would want to see him cut those bad habits out before giving him a starting spot in Qatar.
     
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  8. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Yeah, to be clear, his performance needs to be evaluated in context.

    And I can see an argument that the speed of decision-making slowing might make for a harder adjustment in Qatar. So you are probably right there.

    But he's not going to suddenly crater because he's in Qatar, just like he wasn't without flaw because he was playing in the Bundesliga.
     
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  9. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #534 ChrisSSBB, Aug 11, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2022
    I think this is it as well. He is great in the air and no one will argue with his passing. But, more than being able to play a high line is what I noticed with Wolfsburg and in matches like Honduras is an inconsistency in holding a line. He drops and drops even when around or inside the 18 without respect to the other defenders. Not all of the time but that is a concentration thing and can mess up your defence as it provides more room for the attack to move into. Just my guess/speculation of what GB doesn’t like and may not have trust in JB to do. GB to me sounds like a coach who has had this discussion with a player a number of times about an issue and finally decided to move on while trying to be somewhat tactful in regards to the player when asked about it.
     
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  10. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I have given up on the Brooks issue because I think that ship has sailed. But it is one of a set of decisions that seem to reflect a preference of like-for-like players across the roster in each position. Given that the roster is expanded for this World Cup, I find that a little surprising. It seems to suggest that we will be playing one way and one way only regardless of opponent. If that’s the case, then there really isn’t much need for a person like Brooks who can do certain things well that are particularly well represented among the center backs, or a person like Pefok, who can do some things that our other CFs can’t do well.
     
  11. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he was USMNT level today he would have had better suitors than Saudi Arabia....money not withstanding....

    Couldn't even hook up in Belguim or Netherlands or Portugal or.......
     
  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he goes to Saudi that's definitely the end of his World Cup hopes. Either way I imagine no one will get worked up over his absence on the September roster.

    Hard to know without more information as to whether it was a money driven decision in that European clubs were interested but at a lower price point, or if there was just very little interest from European clubs (which would be odd).
     
  13. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Playing in the Saudi league is akin to falling off a cliff, imo.
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    World Cup hopes were hanging on by a thread with or without the Saudi Arabia move.

    He was out of the team, and that was before CCV and EPB were called in for the last camp. Both of those guys are younger and on an upward trajectory.

    A player shouldn't be eliminated because he's playing in Saudi Arabia. It just makes it a lot more difficult.

    I think its possible that Brooks has played in his last USMNT game.
     
  15. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Falling off a cliff but likely with a golden parachute.
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    He's almost certainly going to be paid better in Saudi Arabia than those leagues. If I had to guess, I think he could catch on quite a few places for what I expect him to get paid this year.

    Could be wrong, of course, but when someone heads to the Saudi league, it's usually about money.
     
  17. papermache16

    papermache16 Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The money thing is a big difference. It's possible there could have been some broad interest from many other clubs, at half thr salary. We probably might not ever find out.
     
  18. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ask the LIV crew.
     
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  19. iad_22201

    iad_22201 Member+

    Jan 2, 2009
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Assumption. Assumption. Assumption.

    Sorry, I couldn't resist...
     
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  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would be he's getting paid even more than he was at Wolfsburg last year.
     
  21. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    There are some fairly popular content creators already saying that.

    But FWIW the account that broke that news is apparently fake. Brooks still may end up in Saudi but that account isn't reliable
     
  22. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    I hope Brooks goes to S.A. and then Gregg calls him up in Sept. just for the head explosions.
     
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  23. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I would take it
     
  24. ifsteve

    ifsteve Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Jul 7, 2013
    MS and ID
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well according to Thomas Rongen he's in our current Best XI.
     
  25. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    got his paper, I can never hate on that. Good for him there. Obviously, terrible form a soccer move perspective, but he probably thought it was his last big paycheck. He got it. End of. Also end of his national team chances.
     

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